From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6300 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2020 17:20:51 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 17 Jul 2020 17:20:51 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1444C9C8E3; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 03:20:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC7894EDF; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 03:19:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4466294EDF; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 03:19:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80BE994EB8 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 03:19:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id D8FC835E136; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:19:16 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Grant Taylor Message-ID: <20200717171916.GG18565@mcvoy.com> References: <4fabd785-3763-d100-b97d-0a0a7377b833@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <13529.1594950045@hop.toad.com> <20200717015914.GA12704@mcvoy.com> <20200717033555.GA18565@mcvoy.com> <48230b60-d64a-eded-c839-1322025c1448@titera.eu> <2132473e-9059-7e3e-2090-efb9b7cfc9db@tnetconsulting.net> <8c447141-2c04-e12f-47de-b994853425c9@titera.eu> <1f239047-3ae0-9a4e-2e41-13b2ce69f566@tnetconsulting.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1f239047-3ae0-9a4e-2e41-13b2ce69f566@tnetconsulting.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] H.J. Lu Bootable Root & Base System disks X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 09:12:23AM -0600, Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: > On 7/17/20 12:04 AM, Petr Tit?ra wrote: > >No, I consider my effort to reconstruct Linux libc release history as off > >topic communication. > > Interesting. Where can I learn more about your work efforts? > > >If someone think otherwise I would be wery glad. > > I'm decidedly not an authority on the matter. But I think there are some in > the global Unix community that shun Linux, and things (directly) related to > it because it's not a Unix descended from AT&T. Hence my comment in my > original post. > > I would love to find a forum for Linux history like TUHS is for Unix > history. Me too. For the record, I'm fine with Linux on this list but it is probably up to Warren to decide. I came from BSD roots, SunOS, but I've been using Linux since maybe 1994 or 95 as my daily desktop/laptop (and yes, it was pretty sketchy back then, I've been playing with Linux since before it had TCP/IP, it's gotten a lot better). I think there are some legit complaints about Linux but a lot of those could be said about BSD. Bell Labs Unix was very terse, they took less is more as far as you can. Linux was far more pragmatic, the Linux /proc is nothing like AT&T /proc, Linux is all strings and has tons of info and knobs that /proc didn't have. AT&T /proc is about processes and Linux /proc is a generic bunghole where you can see everything and control everything. It's a bit much but in general, I like the Linux /proc, it's pleasant being able to poke around without having the write a C program to grovel through the binary data structures. That said, /proc came from the time of 100mhz processors, the idea that you were going to parse all those strings probably gave people heartburn then. Now it is fine.