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From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: Ed Carp <erc@pobox.com>
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] A/UX [was Linux is on-topic]
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 18:04:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200721010411.GS26294@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACYmRNCCYyvScEmfpDS2UYdP+P9N0frcm9_mh=gKLT6hFWzYWA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:11:48PM -0500, Ed Carp wrote:
> On 7/20/20, Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> 
> > Clem should pay attention, in my opinion, this is how you do Unix and
> > real time.  Because Unix is time sharing and throughput, that is the
> > opposite of what real time is.  Wedging real time into Unix is a mistake.
> 
> Agreed.

So many people get this wrong, they want to make "real time" in Unix "good
enough" and it messes with everything.  Victor's idea was awesome.

And you know what sucks?  I was on the Usenix review committee and I gave
it 2 thumbs up but someone else, looking at you, Rob, said it was not 
interesting because the real time kernel wasn't POSIX.  Even though the
real time kernel had pipes, signals, and shared memory with Linux.

He was a bigger deal than me so it didn't get published.

I love the Rob in question, not Pike, but this was one of the most bone
headed calls I've ever seen him make.  The world needed to see this.

Wind River bought it and buried it because it competed with their stuff
that was nowhere near as good.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-21  1:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-17 18:08 [TUHS] H.J. Lu Bootable Root & Base System disks Norman Wilson
2020-07-17 18:14 ` John Cowan
2020-07-17 18:19 ` Larry McVoy
2020-07-17 19:53 ` [TUHS] Linux is on-topic Warren Toomey
2020-07-17 19:57   ` Larry McVoy
2020-07-17 20:00     ` Adam Thornton
2020-07-17 20:04       ` Larry McVoy
2020-07-17 20:03     ` Dan Cross
2020-07-17 23:31       ` A. P. Garcia
2020-07-19 10:26       ` emanuel stiebler
2020-07-17 20:07     ` Warren Toomey
2020-07-17 20:12       ` Warner Losh
2020-07-17 20:19       ` Clem Cole
2020-07-19  9:54       ` Sergio Pedraja
2020-07-17 20:08     ` Michael Kjörling
2020-07-17 20:55       ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-07-17 21:28         ` Michael Kjörling
2020-07-18 20:22           ` Ed Carp
2020-07-18 20:29             ` Warner Losh
2020-07-19  2:31               ` Gregg Levine
2020-07-19  3:46               ` Wesley Parish
2020-07-19  4:42                 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-07-19 18:01                   ` Michael Parson
2020-07-20  8:47                     ` [TUHS] A/UX [was Linux is on-topic] arnold
2020-07-20  9:46                       ` Arno Griffioen
2020-07-20 16:35                         ` Arthur Krewat
2020-07-20 17:44                           ` Arno Griffioen
2020-07-20 19:07                         ` Rich Morin
2020-07-20 19:45                           ` Al Kossow
2020-07-20 19:49                             ` Al Kossow
2020-07-24  0:01                               ` Chris Hanson
2020-07-20 20:20                         ` Ed Carp
2020-07-20 21:02                           ` John Cowan
2020-07-20 22:27                             ` Ed Carp
2020-07-24  0:04                             ` Chris Hanson
2020-07-31 23:02                             ` Dave Horsfall
2020-07-31 23:12                               ` Richard Salz
2020-08-01  1:36                                 ` Larry McVoy
2020-08-01 16:08                                   ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-08-01 17:01                                     ` Arthur Krewat
2020-08-13  0:00                                   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-08-13  1:47                                     ` Larry McVoy
2020-08-13  3:15                                       ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-08-13  4:02                                         ` Larry Cashdollar via TUHS
2020-08-31 21:12                                         ` Dave Horsfall
2020-09-03 14:10                                           ` Michael Parson
2020-08-13  1:53                                     ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-08-13 17:14                                   ` Dan Cross
2020-08-13 17:19                                     ` Henry Bent
2020-08-13 17:58                                       ` Warner Losh
2020-08-13 20:04                                       ` John Cowan
2020-08-13 20:52                                         ` Dan Cross
2020-08-14 17:31                                         ` Paul Winalski
2020-08-15  1:24                                           ` Dave Horsfall
2020-08-18 13:57                                         ` Derek Fawcus
2020-08-18 14:11                                           ` John Cowan
2020-08-31 21:20                                         ` Dave Horsfall
2020-08-13 19:18                                     ` Adam Thornton
2020-08-13 19:28                                       ` Warner Losh
2020-08-13 20:15                                         ` [TUHS] AIX link repost [was " Charles H Sauer
2020-08-13 20:09                                       ` [TUHS] " Rich
2020-08-13 20:16                                         ` Larry McVoy
2020-08-13 20:17                                         ` Dr Iain Maoileoin
2020-08-14  1:04                                         ` Christopher Browne
2020-08-14 17:18                                           ` Jim Capp
2020-08-14 17:37                                             ` Jim Capp
2020-08-14 17:39                                             ` Jon Steinhart
2020-08-15  0:33                                               ` Rich
2020-08-15  1:20                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2020-08-15  2:08                                                   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-08-15  2:47                                                     ` Warner Losh
2020-08-15 17:44                                                     ` Paul Winalski
2020-08-15 12:05                                                   ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-08-15  1:33                                                 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-08-15  2:02                                                 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-08-15  2:45                                                   ` Andrew Hume
2020-08-15 16:55                                                     ` William Cheswick
2020-08-15  3:29                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2020-08-15  1:40                                             ` Gregg Levine
2020-08-13 22:24                                     ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-07-24  0:02                           ` Chris Hanson
2020-07-20  9:48                       ` Andrew Warkentin
2020-07-20 11:49                         ` Larry McVoy
2020-07-20 14:36                           ` Clem Cole
2020-07-20 17:24                           ` John Cowan
2020-07-20 22:11                           ` Ed Carp
2020-07-21  1:04                             ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2020-07-22  3:13                               ` tytso
2020-07-22  5:40                                 ` Bakul Shah
2020-07-22 14:16                                   ` Larry McVoy
2020-07-20 12:32                       ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2020-07-20 12:54                         ` Andrew Warkentin
2020-07-21  1:50                           ` Larry McVoy
2020-07-21  2:30                             ` Gregg Levine
2020-07-22  3:44                         ` Jason
2020-07-22 12:23                           ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2020-07-20 14:28                       ` Clem Cole
2020-07-22  3:50                         ` Jason
2020-07-22  4:26                           ` Henry Bent
2020-07-24  0:10                             ` Chris Hanson
2020-07-20  0:24               ` [TUHS] Linux is on-topic Ed Carp
2020-07-22  3:41             ` Jason
2020-07-22 16:15               ` Michael Parson
2020-07-18  3:34     ` Tomasz Rola
2020-07-18 16:45     ` Christopher Browne
2020-07-19  7:32       ` Lars Brinkhoff

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