From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11808 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2020 01:06:07 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Jul 2020 01:06:07 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 01C5F9BA4D; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:06:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34109BA4E; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:04:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AC8819BA30; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:04:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D8419BA2A for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:04:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 8576835E136; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 18:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 18:04:11 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Ed Carp Message-ID: <20200721010411.GS26294@mcvoy.com> References: <40a70393-894a-4b21-8678-a71bbca4aa69@localhost> <8e7efd45-a84e-cf20-9d30-8222357596a3@tnetconsulting.net> <202007200847.06K8l8DF026646@freefriends.org> <20200720114957.GL26294@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] A/UX [was Linux is on-topic] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:11:48PM -0500, Ed Carp wrote: > On 7/20/20, Larry McVoy wrote: > > > Clem should pay attention, in my opinion, this is how you do Unix and > > real time. Because Unix is time sharing and throughput, that is the > > opposite of what real time is. Wedging real time into Unix is a mistake. > > Agreed. So many people get this wrong, they want to make "real time" in Unix "good enough" and it messes with everything. Victor's idea was awesome. And you know what sucks? I was on the Usenix review committee and I gave it 2 thumbs up but someone else, looking at you, Rob, said it was not interesting because the real time kernel wasn't POSIX. Even though the real time kernel had pipes, signals, and shared memory with Linux. He was a bigger deal than me so it didn't get published. I love the Rob in question, not Pike, but this was one of the most bone headed calls I've ever seen him make. The world needed to see this. Wind River bought it and buried it because it competed with their stuff that was nowhere near as good.