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X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 30/07/20, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Angelo Papenhoff > > > I believe 11/20 UNIX also needs the EAE. > > Some applications might have used it (the story about the KS11 bug with the > KW11-A confirms they did use it on that machine), but I found no trace of use > of it in a quick scan of the entire Version 1 source (the one which is > extant). > > Also, the first file in the OS source: > > https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/u0.s > > lists the addresses of all device registers, and the KE11-A isn't there. Oh ok. The B runtime uses the EAE so i assumed it was used in other places as well. > If the KE11 is needed to run some application on the -11/04, there are > KE11-B's (program compatible, but a single hex card) available, ISTR. For > emulation, something (SIMH?) supports it, since the TV -11 on ITS (now running > in emulation,I'm pretty sure) uses it. Well the TV-11 is a tough question. I originally wrote an 11/05 emulator because some document said it was an 11/10 (which is the same thing). But other sources claimed it was an 11/20. you can build both versions and both work. My EAE emulation is based on the KE-11A document from bitsavers. (code here: https://github.com/aap/pdp11 ) aap