From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6984 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2020 16:09:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Aug 2020 16:09:55 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4D2889C1E4; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 02:09:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B7B9C1C7; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 02:09:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 92CA49C1AF; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 02:09:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E6689C1AD for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 02:09:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 5AD4035E088; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 09:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 09:09:08 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Paul Winalski Message-ID: <20200806160908.GR10778@mcvoy.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Debugging help sought X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 11:47:09AM -0400, Paul Winalski wrote: > On 8/5/20, Adam Thornton wrote: > > > > $ cc -o 4th forth.c > > ld:forth.o: Local symbol botch > > I hate error messages like that. Would it have been that much extra > trouble for ld to tell you which symbol caused the problem? That's funny, I was just talking to my older son yesterday. We had the chat about how much you could get done in a semester in college, a buddy and I did about 80% of an Ada compiler. It was a lot. I told my kid that industry is different, it moves way slower and that is because there is a huge difference between something you get done in a few months and throw away and something that you are going to hand off to users. Error handling and messages matter a lot. Backwards compatibility matters a lot. Isn't Adam working on v7? If so, not so great error messages are sort of understood, it was early times. They got better.