From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9384 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2020 20:36:16 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Sep 2020 20:36:16 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7E2D69C766; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 06:36:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD88A9C722; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 06:35:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 35A679C6B4; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 06:35:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D3E49C6AE for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 06:35:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 08AKZUvS580681 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:35:30 -0700 Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 08AKZUKh580678 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:35:30 -0700 Message-Id: <202009102035.08AKZUKh580678@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: TUHS main list In-reply-to: References: <87zh5xty7h.fsf@gmail.com> <20200910164525.GR19682@mcvoy.com> Comments: In-reply-to Clem Cole message dated "Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:27:32 -0400." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <580676.1599770130.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:35:30 -0700 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Subject: Re: [TUHS] A Paper by dmr in 1984 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Clem Cole writes: > > One of the things I am most proud of as a Board Member and USENIX President > was going free access during my time. It was bold and scary, but the right > thing to do. Too bad, IEEE and ACM don't have the same values. A > paywall is an invisible revenue stream and makes it easy for them to > 'provide value,' *but they do it one other people's work*. Back when > publishing was a more expensive thing for them to do, it made *some* > sense. But it should have been a zero-sum/at-cost game. When it became > the primary revenue stream for those organizations, is when they fell from > grace. I completely agree; I asked both ACM and IEEE if I could at least have access to their libraries for stuff that I had already paid for and had on paper but they said no so I dropped my memberships. Along those lines and in the archeology department, I have boxes of ACM and IEEE pubs from the maybe 1982-2010 timeframe that are about to get recycled so if anybody wants 'em, let me know. Jon