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From: norman@oclsc.org (Norman Wilson)
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] reviving a bit of WWB
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 18:51:06 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200920225106.C579E4422E@lignose.oclsc.org> (raw)

Brantley Coile:

  The fact that a pointer of zero generates a hardware trap is not
  defined in the language, whereas a 0 is is defined to be a null pointer.

=====

The language doesn't require that dereferencing a null pointer
cause a trap, either.  There's no way to guarantee that behaviour
in all environments unless every pointer dereference must include
instructions to check for the null-pointer value, because C can
run in environments in which any pointer value might be a valid
address.

On modern machines it's conventional for the null-pointer value
in C, what you get when you assign 0 to a pointer, to be all-zeroes;
and for operating systems to arrange that that address is unmapped.
But that wasn't always so (on the PDP-7 there was no memory map;
on the PDP-11 once memory-mapping was added, address space was
too dear to throw away an eighth of it just to block null-pointer
dereferencing), and it may still not be (consider a C program
on an embedded system running without a memory map).

It's good that modern systems usually whap you in the head if you
deference a null pointer, but it's not required, and those who
rely on it are as foolish as those who used to rely on the
accident that the byte at address 0 on early VAX UNIX was a zero.

Norman Wilson
p&p6 and f(

             reply	other threads:[~2020-09-20 22:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-20 22:51 Norman Wilson [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-09-25 14:19 Doug McIlroy
2020-09-28 17:35 ` Angelo Papenhoff
2020-09-20 23:00 Norman Wilson
2020-09-20 23:53 ` Clem Cole
2020-09-21  0:00   ` Clem Cole
2020-09-21  2:24     ` John Cowan
2020-09-21  0:09   ` Warner Losh
2020-09-21  1:05     ` Clem Cole
2020-09-21  5:55     ` Steve Nickolas
2020-09-21  5:59       ` Warner Losh
2020-09-21 18:40         ` Paul Winalski
2020-09-21 19:56           ` Dan Cross
2020-09-21 20:50       ` John Cowan
2020-09-21 21:22         ` Rob Pike
2020-09-21 21:57           ` Clem Cole
2020-09-21 23:56             ` John Cowan
2020-09-22  0:54               ` Richard Salz
2020-09-21 21:39         ` Steve Nickolas
2020-09-19  1:51 Doug McIlroy
2020-09-20 18:42 ` arnold
2020-09-20 19:28   ` Will Senn
2020-09-20 20:12     ` Steve Nickolas
2020-09-20 20:26       ` Doug McIlroy
2020-09-20 20:57         ` Doug McIlroy
2020-09-20 22:13           ` Clem Cole
2020-09-21 20:43             ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-09-20 20:58         ` Steve Nickolas
2020-09-20 21:33           ` Brantley Coile
2020-10-07  5:43             ` scj
2020-09-20 21:35           ` John Cowan
2021-02-02 23:08             ` Greg A. Woods
2021-02-02 23:47               ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-03  0:11                 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-03  0:19                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-03  2:04                     ` Richard Salz
2021-02-03  3:32                       ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-03  4:32                         ` M Douglas McIlroy
2021-02-03 11:27                           ` Peter Jeremy via TUHS
2021-02-03 20:09                             ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-03 20:13                               ` Niklas Karlsson
2021-02-03 23:46                               ` Tom Lyon
2021-02-03 22:19                           ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-03 22:55                             ` M Douglas McIlroy
2020-09-20 22:15           ` Clem Cole
2020-09-20 22:47             ` John Cowan
2020-09-21 20:48               ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-09-21 20:46           ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-09-24  2:25       ` Dave Horsfall
2020-09-24  2:33         ` Clem Cole
2020-09-27  5:54           ` Dave Horsfall
2020-09-24 17:19         ` Paul Winalski
2020-09-24 18:17           ` John Cowan
2020-10-07  5:47   ` scj
2020-10-07  9:20     ` arnold
2020-10-08  0:27     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-10-08  3:08       ` John Cowan

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