From: norman@oclsc.org (Norman Wilson)
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] reviving a bit of WWB
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 18:51:06 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200920225106.C579E4422E@lignose.oclsc.org> (raw)
Brantley Coile:
The fact that a pointer of zero generates a hardware trap is not
defined in the language, whereas a 0 is is defined to be a null pointer.
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The language doesn't require that dereferencing a null pointer
cause a trap, either. There's no way to guarantee that behaviour
in all environments unless every pointer dereference must include
instructions to check for the null-pointer value, because C can
run in environments in which any pointer value might be a valid
address.
On modern machines it's conventional for the null-pointer value
in C, what you get when you assign 0 to a pointer, to be all-zeroes;
and for operating systems to arrange that that address is unmapped.
But that wasn't always so (on the PDP-7 there was no memory map;
on the PDP-11 once memory-mapping was added, address space was
too dear to throw away an eighth of it just to block null-pointer
dereferencing), and it may still not be (consider a C program
on an embedded system running without a memory map).
It's good that modern systems usually whap you in the head if you
deference a null pointer, but it's not required, and those who
rely on it are as foolish as those who used to rely on the
accident that the byte at address 0 on early VAX UNIX was a zero.
Norman Wilson
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2020-09-20 22:51 Norman Wilson [this message]
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2020-09-25 14:19 Doug McIlroy
2020-09-28 17:35 ` Angelo Papenhoff
2020-09-20 23:00 Norman Wilson
2020-09-20 23:53 ` Clem Cole
2020-09-21 0:00 ` Clem Cole
2020-09-21 2:24 ` John Cowan
2020-09-21 0:09 ` Warner Losh
2020-09-21 1:05 ` Clem Cole
2020-09-21 5:55 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-09-21 5:59 ` Warner Losh
2020-09-21 18:40 ` Paul Winalski
2020-09-21 19:56 ` Dan Cross
2020-09-21 20:50 ` John Cowan
2020-09-21 21:22 ` Rob Pike
2020-09-21 21:57 ` Clem Cole
2020-09-21 23:56 ` John Cowan
2020-09-22 0:54 ` Richard Salz
2020-09-21 21:39 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-09-19 1:51 Doug McIlroy
2020-09-20 18:42 ` arnold
2020-09-20 19:28 ` Will Senn
2020-09-20 20:12 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-09-20 20:26 ` Doug McIlroy
2020-09-20 20:57 ` Doug McIlroy
2020-09-20 22:13 ` Clem Cole
2020-09-21 20:43 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-09-20 20:58 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-09-20 21:33 ` Brantley Coile
2020-10-07 5:43 ` scj
2020-09-20 21:35 ` John Cowan
2021-02-02 23:08 ` Greg A. Woods
2021-02-02 23:47 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-03 0:11 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-03 0:19 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-03 2:04 ` Richard Salz
2021-02-03 3:32 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-03 4:32 ` M Douglas McIlroy
2021-02-03 11:27 ` Peter Jeremy via TUHS
2021-02-03 20:09 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-03 20:13 ` Niklas Karlsson
2021-02-03 23:46 ` Tom Lyon
2021-02-03 22:19 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-03 22:55 ` M Douglas McIlroy
2020-09-20 22:15 ` Clem Cole
2020-09-20 22:47 ` John Cowan
2020-09-21 20:48 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-09-21 20:46 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-09-24 2:25 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-09-24 2:33 ` Clem Cole
2020-09-27 5:54 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-09-24 17:19 ` Paul Winalski
2020-09-24 18:17 ` John Cowan
2020-10-07 5:47 ` scj
2020-10-07 9:20 ` arnold
2020-10-08 0:27 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-10-08 3:08 ` John Cowan
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