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From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Cc: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Fwd: Choice of Unix for 11/03 and 11/23+ Systems
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 2020 08:51:18 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201001125118.DDBBC18C0EB@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> (raw)

    > From: Paul Riley

    > So mounting Mini-Unix on a running V6 system I guess allows you to run
    > Mini-Unix user mode binaries stuff

Ah, no. They are all link-loaded to run at TOPSYS (060000), so won't run on
V6 native. 

    > Or do you plan to recompile on a stable system?

Well, I need to find out what the problem is, first.


Still, notable progress: using my 'mount the Mini-Unix RK pack on a V6 system'
hack (which woked fine; the native V6 'icheck' and 'dcheck' work on that
pack), I was able to sucessfully compile a few tweaked system modules (to get
my usual line-editing chars, and turn off that irritating lower-case mode),
and then build an OS load which could sucessfully boot. So good progress
there. A couple of things I learned:

- MiniUnix tools use the 'new' archive format, so the V6 vanilla 'ar' doen't
grok MiniUnix archives (e.g. lib1/lib2). I have a 'nar', which I found on the
'Shoppa disks', which can deal with them. (We don't have source for it, but
I'll bet the MIT PWB1 system has that; I'll get to that eventuallly. There's also
an 'ar.c' on the MiniUnix disk; between the two, we'll be able to reconstitute
source for 'nar'.)

- Also, the vanilla V6 linker, 'ld', _also_ doesn't understand new archives;
so the shell file to build a new system, 'shld':

  ld -a -x low.o conf.o lib1 lib2

blows out because it doesn't grok the libraries. Also, the '-a' flag, which
says 'link starting at 0, not TOPSYS', doesn't exist in the V6 'ld'.

I got around all that by unpacking lib1 (using 'nar', above) - it only contains
two files - and then listing the files to link directly:

  ld -x low.o conf.o syso emulo dev/kl.o dev/devstart.o dev/rk.o

The vanilla V6 linker of course produces an output linked at 0 without
the -a flag.


At some point, I'll produce a 'MiniUnix ld' on vanilla V6, so I can build
MiniUnix versions of applications there; the first will be the shell, so I
don't have to keep typing 'chdir' instead of 'cd'! :-)

Then on to trying to find out why MiniUnix crashes whenever I try and do
anything significant.

       Noel

             reply	other threads:[~2020-10-01 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-01 12:51 Noel Chiappa [this message]
2020-10-02  0:23 ` Paul Riley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-02-03  1:25 Noel Chiappa
2020-10-18 21:36 Norman Wilson
2020-10-12 22:43 Noel Chiappa
2020-10-12 19:27 Noel Chiappa
2020-10-10 23:29 Noel Chiappa
2020-10-11  2:30 ` Jay Logue
2020-10-11 23:24 ` Paul Riley
2020-10-12  0:53   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-10-12  1:56     ` Warner Losh
2020-10-12  2:09       ` Andrew Warkentin
2020-10-12 16:57       ` Arthur Krewat
2020-10-18 20:42     ` Michael Huff
2020-10-08 23:49 Noel Chiappa
2020-10-08 16:06 Noel Chiappa
2020-10-06 23:08 Noel Chiappa
2020-10-07  5:24 ` Jay Logue
2020-10-06 20:34 Noel Chiappa
2020-10-06 19:34 Noel Chiappa
2020-10-06 19:04 Noel Chiappa
2020-10-06 14:46 Noel Chiappa
2020-10-06 16:22 ` jay-tuhs9915
2020-10-02  0:39 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-30 23:16 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-30 18:51 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-30 17:58 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-28 23:21 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-30  1:50 ` Paul Riley
2020-09-27 21:07 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-27 21:12 ` Warner Losh
2020-09-28  0:22   ` Pete Turnbull
2020-09-27 20:50 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-29 13:20 ` Paul Riley
2020-09-25 22:08 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-26 14:52 ` John Foust
2020-09-28  0:03 ` Paul Riley
2020-09-28  0:06   ` Paul Riley
2020-09-24 18:56 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-24 13:04 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-24 18:24 ` John Cowan
2020-09-24 11:02 Paul Ruizendaal
2021-02-03  0:12 ` Greg A. Woods
2020-09-24  1:28 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-23 23:14 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-24  1:09 ` John Foust
2020-09-22 21:51 John Foust
2020-09-22 21:36 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-22 21:46 ` Warner Losh
2020-09-22 21:49 ` John Foust
2020-09-22 15:59 Noel Chiappa
2021-02-03  0:07 ` Greg A. Woods
2020-09-22  0:47 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-21 19:37 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-21 23:16 ` devin davison
2020-09-21 18:13 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-21 17:59 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-21 18:18 ` Arthur Krewat
2020-09-20 13:12 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-19 15:28 Noel Chiappa
2020-09-21 10:26 ` Paul Riley
2021-01-24 16:07 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2021-01-25  4:58   ` Gregg Levine
2021-01-25  8:21     ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
     [not found] <CAD05_j1bc6DDRtfPkd4QVeWXjwSp73bty46D=2ATozUbHThBWw@mail.gmail.com>
2020-09-19  3:22 ` Paul Riley
2020-09-19 14:20   ` Heinz Lycklama
2020-09-21 13:54     ` Paul Riley
2020-09-21 15:30       ` Heinz Lycklama
2020-09-21 23:27   ` Henry Bent
     [not found]     ` <4C35E6D2-8ABD-4DC2-BB2F-F15FA5BF30DD@icloud.com>
2020-09-22  0:22       ` Henry Bent

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