From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1805 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2020 15:06:53 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Nov 2020 15:06:53 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1EE9C9D4F4; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 01:06:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7B59D4B3; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 01:06:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B07FB9D4B3; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 01:06:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 329CE9D4B2 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 01:06:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 3E17835E08B; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:06:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:06:09 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Message-ID: <20201106150609.GR26296@mcvoy.com> References: <20201106014109.GP26296@mcvoy.com> <20201106063725.GB99027@eureka.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20201106063725.GB99027@eureka.lemis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] The Elements Of Style: UNIX As Literature X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, Nov 06, 2020 at 05:37:25PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Friday, 6 November 2020 at 0:04:28 -0500, John Cowan wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 8:41 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > > > >> I click but I mostly live in terminal windows. Which are all 80 > >> columns because that's the right width (I can go on and on about > >> that). > > > > Aw, c'mon. You're going to tell us that the number of punch holes > > that IBM could fit on a punch card in 1928 that was exactly the size > > of the dollar bill used in the U.S. from 1862 to 1923 so that it > > could be stored in a mechanical cash register is miraculously the > > Right Thing when it comes to reading monospaced text on a screen? > > I think you're jumping to conclusions. The importance of 80 > characters (for small values of 80) is that it's a comfortable text > width for human eyes. Exactly this. I'm a very fast reader, easily 2-3x the average. I read by running my eyes down the middle of the page and get the left and right from peripheral vision. It's super fast but it doesn't work when you get much bigger than 80 columns. Even if you read normally, the wider it is, the more back and forth your eyes do so less is more. It's also why I'm fine with smaller screens, I tried the giant apple displays and found that those required head movement along with eye movement. I'm lazy.