From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22788 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2021 21:14:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Jan 2021 21:14:52 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DF0739C7F9; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 07:14:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C469C73D; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 07:14:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id ED9B59C73D; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 07:14:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AAA89C5FD for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 07:14:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 10OLEZpW966711 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 13:14:35 -0800 Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 10OLEYGk966708 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 13:14:35 -0800 Message-Id: <202101242114.10OLEYGk966708@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: TUHS main list In-reply-to: <20210124211100.GI21030@mcvoy.com> References: <20210124183653.GD21030@mcvoy.com> <202101242045.10OKjDvA964774@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210124211100.GI21030@mcvoy.com> Comments: In-reply-to Larry McVoy message dated "Sun, 24 Jan 2021 13:11:00 -0800." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <966701.1611522871.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 13:14:34 -0800 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Subject: Re: [TUHS] tangential unix question: whatever happened to NeWS? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Larry McVoy writes: > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 12:45:13PM -0800, Jon Steinhart wrote: > > power to kill NeWS. One of the leaders of this was Apollo, and according > > to folks that I knew there, they felt that their networking was better > > than Sun's, but they lost because Sun "gave away" NFS. > > Small hijack because I couldn't help it :) > > As someone who has used Apollos side by side with Suns (this was before > I went to work at Sun, around 1987), to say Apollos were better at > anything than a Sun was a joke in bad taste. If I remember correctly, > they were both based on 68020s, so same baseline. Apollos just sucked, > their networked file system was slow as molasses. In spite of having > dozens of Apollos available to me, and just one Sun file server, the first > thing I did at that job was to port the cross compiler from Apollo to Sun, > that one machine was faster than anything I could get done on a pile of > Apollos. I hated them. > > --lm So I never liked Apollos much. What I was referring to was Apollo's claim that their token-ring network performed better for large numbers of nodes. And they were correct. However, they didn't consider the eventually invention of switches that solved the problem. Jon