From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1145 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2021 01:59:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Jan 2021 01:59:30 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9F32A9B7AA; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:59:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15709B720; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:59:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5C9BE9B720; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:59:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA56F9B715 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:59:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 6959E35E0AF; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:59:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:59:03 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Clem Cole Message-ID: <20210128015903.GK4227@mcvoy.com> References: <202007261531.06QFVqZb027062@freefriends.org> <202007261535.06QFZvLg027250@freefriends.org> <202007261711.06QHB07i032409@freefriends.org> <17854.1611793153@hop.toad.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Troff to ps X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I was just an engineer but what John said sort of is what I thought. There was some money weirdness around anything above nroff/troff. I don't think it was $5 but as I said, I was an engineer, nobody directly told me this stuff. On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 08:25:33PM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: > Actually It was very cheap. $5 a copy if I remember correctly Masscomp > and Stellar just ate the cost. The adobe transcript license was also > nominal. In both cases we realized it was cheaper than trying to keep two > separate streams and figure out which systems we shipped it too. > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 7:26 PM John Gilmore wrote: > > > Greg A. Woods wrote: > > > As I recall even some of the bigger vendors such as Sun and IBM didn't > > > offer ditroff in their base OS, but they did offer old troff. Those > > > were the days of insane AT&T licensing and all the games competitors > > > played around it. > > > > As I recall, AT&T wanted about the same amount of money for ditroff as > > for the entire UNIX release. So, of course no UNIX vendor was going to > > double the royalty they paid to AT&T for every customer, for a small > > improvement in a utility that most customers didn't even use (troff). > > > > John > > > > -- > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual -- --- Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm