From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11924 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2021 19:51:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 30 Jan 2021 19:51:04 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 017799C88F; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 05:50:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA999C653; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 05:50:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F40C99C653; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 05:50:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 229959C63D for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 05:50:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 10UJoX1A456411 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 11:50:33 -0800 Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 10UJoWeA456408 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 11:50:33 -0800 Message-Id: <202101301950.10UJoWeA456408@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Tyler Adams message dated "Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:01:32 +0200." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <456406.1612036232.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 11:50:32 -0800 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Subject: Re: [TUHS] Favorite unix design principles? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Tyler Adams writes: > > For sure, I've seen at least two interesting changes: > - market forces have pushed fast iteration and fast prototyping into the > mainstream in the form of Silicon valley "fail fast" culture and the > "agile" culture. This, over the disastrous "waterfall" style, has led to a > momentous improvement in overall productivity improvements. > - As coders get pulled away from the machine and performance is less and > less in coders hands, engineers aren't sucked into (premature) optimization > as much. It's interesting in more than one way. The "fail fast" culture seems to result in a lot more failure than I find acceptable. As performance is less in coders hands, performance is getting worse. I haven't seen less premature optimization, I've just seen more premature optimization that didn't optimize anything. My take is that the above changes have resulted in less reliable products with poor performance being delivered more quickly. I'm just kind of weird in that I'd prefer better products delivered more slowly. Especially since much of what counts as a product these days is just churn to keep people buying, not to provide things that are actually useful.