From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 399 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2021 22:29:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 30 Jan 2021 22:29:10 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 18DD39C882; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 08:29:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6479D9C653; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 08:28:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B3F179C653; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 08:28:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CA489C63D for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 08:28:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id BAA6F35E1AA; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:28:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:28:54 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Clem Cole Message-ID: <20210130222854.GN4227@mcvoy.com> References: <202101301950.10UJoWeA456408@darkstar.fourwinds.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Favorite unix design principles? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: > If I could get the day-2-day > applications that I need to work on FreeBSD, I suspect I would be there in > a heartbeat. I dunno about that. I tried out FreeBSD a couple of years ago when Netflix was flirting with me. The installer hasn't seen any loving in 30 years it would seem. The disk setup tool sucks just as bad as it did back in 1988. I remember when Linux was this bad in the .90ish releases. A long time ago. Now their install is painless, it's every bit as good as Windows and maybe better. And it got that way fast, I remember doing an install on some machine around 1998 or 1999, I didn't have a mouse plugged in, no worries, you could just move around with the keyboard. X11 came up as part of the install, the entire install was graphical and seamless. FreeBSD is stuck in the 1990's in terms of user interface. They've done some good stuff in the kernel but it's not an end user system, I'd argue that the install is much worse than any of the Sun installers and I started with BSD.