From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] FreeBSD behind the times? (was: Favorite unix design principles?)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 15:17:50 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210130231750.GQ4227@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210130231119.GA33905@eureka.lemis.com>
On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 10:11:19AM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> > I remember when Linux was this bad in the .90ish releases. A long
> > time ago. Now their install is painless, it's every bit as good as
> > Windows and maybe better.
>
> FWIW, I find Microsoft "Windows" installation terminally confusing
> (that's what you were talking about, right?). And I've run into
> serious problems with various Linux installations too. That doesn't
> make the FreeBSD tools better, but maybe it relativizes it.
Um, my mother could install any Linux system today and 10-20 years ago.
There is not the slightest chance that she could install FreeBSD.
> The FreeBSD installer *does* install X if you select it.
Linux installers start in X. No "select it" required.
> > FreeBSD is stuck in the 1990's in terms of user interface.
>
> You're still talking about the installer, aren't you?
Yup. If FreeBSD wants anyone to use it, fix that installer. 99.99%
of people would give up after seeing that, you'd never get them to
userland.
> > They've done some good stuff in the kernel but it's not an end user
> > system,
>
> There I have to agree with you. A little TLC would go a long way.
> But I hope that you're not advocating the "change your GUI with your
> underwear" attitude that Microsoft, Apple and many Linux distros
> have. One of the reasons I don't use Linux is because every time I
> try, the interface has changed.
Try xubuntu, that's what I use. Pretty light weight UI but all the
parts are there and it doesn't change much.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-01-30 23:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-01-25 11:10 [TUHS] Favorite unix design principles? Tyler Adams
2021-01-25 12:32 ` Steve Nickolas
2021-01-26 2:06 ` M Douglas McIlroy
2021-01-26 2:53 ` Steve Nickolas
2021-01-26 10:22 ` Tyler Adams
2021-01-26 12:26 ` John P. Linderman
2021-01-26 15:23 ` Clem Cole
2021-01-26 16:00 ` Niklas Karlsson
2021-01-26 16:13 ` Adam Thornton
[not found] ` <CAKH6PiXKjksEpQOMMMQTbcsMvX2thz3WzqjoRWJAsXnZ4Eq_iQ@mail.gmail.com>
2021-01-30 19:01 ` Tyler Adams
2021-01-30 19:50 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-30 20:06 ` Tyler Adams
2021-01-30 21:28 ` Clem Cole
2021-01-30 21:42 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-30 21:45 ` Tyler Adams
2021-01-30 22:31 ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-30 22:28 ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-30 23:11 ` [TUHS] FreeBSD behind the times? (was: Favorite unix design principles?) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2021-01-30 23:17 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2021-01-30 23:22 ` Warner Losh
2021-01-30 23:31 ` [TUHS] [SPAM] " Larry McVoy
2021-01-30 23:37 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-30 23:54 ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-31 12:23 ` [TUHS] [SPAM] Re: FreeBSD behind the times? Dermot Tynan
2021-01-31 0:00 ` [TUHS] [SPAM] Re: FreeBSD behind the times? (was: Favorite unix design principles?) Bakul Shah
2021-02-09 2:15 ` [TUHS] " Will Senn
2021-02-09 2:16 ` Will Senn
2021-02-09 2:30 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2021-01-31 0:39 ` Steve Nickolas
2021-01-31 1:47 ` Will Senn
2021-01-31 2:25 ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-31 2:52 ` Will Senn
2021-01-31 3:00 ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-31 3:06 ` Will Senn
2021-01-31 3:32 ` John Cowan
2021-02-04 5:43 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-04 6:10 ` Angus Robinson
2021-02-04 7:46 ` Andy Kosela
2021-02-04 22:25 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-04 15:45 ` Will Senn
2021-02-04 16:03 ` Henry Bent
2021-02-04 16:32 ` Dan Cross
2021-02-04 16:49 ` Will Senn
2021-02-04 17:46 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-04 18:41 ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-04 22:28 ` George Michaelson
2021-02-04 22:41 ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-05 0:33 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-05 5:17 ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-05 14:18 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-05 18:16 ` Warner Losh
2021-02-05 18:21 ` ron minnich
2021-02-06 0:03 ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-06 2:06 ` Dan Cross
2021-02-06 3:01 ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-06 1:18 ` John Gilmore
2021-02-06 1:43 ` joe mcguckin
2021-02-06 1:55 ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-05 20:50 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-06 0:21 ` Brad Spencer
2021-02-06 2:22 ` Rico Pajarola
2021-02-06 2:55 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-06 3:07 ` Will Senn
2021-02-27 8:54 ` Stuart Remphrey
2021-02-06 4:55 ` John Cowan
2021-02-04 7:46 ` Chris Torek
2021-02-04 15:47 ` Will Senn
2021-02-11 21:01 ` Angel M Alganza
2021-01-30 23:09 ` [TUHS] Favorite unix design principles? John Cowan
2021-01-30 23:22 ` Jon Steinhart
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