From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18444 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2021 02:56:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Feb 2021 02:56:29 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 134D59C87E; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:56:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1A09BA45; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:55:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 51F579BA45; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:55:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C539A9BA3F for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:55:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id D857135E1B3; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:55:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:55:53 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Rico Pajarola Message-ID: <20210206025553.GY13701@mcvoy.com> References: <20210130222854.GN4227@mcvoy.com> <20210130231119.GA33905@eureka.lemis.com> <20210131022500.GU4227@mcvoy.com> <9504e27d-d976-9681-6b97-aa87d124fc43@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] FreeBSD behind the times? (was: Favorite unix design principles?) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 06:22:32PM -0800, Rico Pajarola wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 12:51 PM Dave Horsfall wrote: > > Thanks; I'd heard that ZFS was a compressed file system, so I stopped > > right there (I had lots of experience in recovering from corrupted RK05s, > > and didn't need any more trouble). > > > That's funny, for me this is the main reason to use ZFS... What really sets > ZFS apart from everything else is the lack of trouble and its resilience to > failures. I'm gonna call Bill tomorrow and get his take again, that's Bill Moore one of the two main guys who did ZFS. This whole thread is sort of silly. There are the users of ZFS who love it for what it does for them. I have no argument with them. Then there are the much smaller, depressingly so, group of people who care about OS design that think ZFS took a step backwards. I think Dennis might have stepped in here, if he was still with us, and had some words. I think Dennis would have brought us back to lets talk about the kernel and what is right. ZFS is useful, no doubt, but it is not right from a kernel guy's point of view. I miss Dennis.