From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10245 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2021 18:40:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 8 Feb 2021 18:40:09 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D47E29C6CE; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 04:40:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10DB9BA50; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 04:39:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EA5019BA50; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 04:39:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 340F69BA42 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 04:39:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id D8FCF35E31A; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:39:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:39:45 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Justin Coffey Message-ID: <20210208183945.GJ13701@mcvoy.com> References: <20210208182123.GI13701@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Macs and future unix derivatives X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 10:32:03AM -0800, Justin Coffey wrote: > My question then is, are there any examples of projects that maintained > discipline, focus and relevance over years/decades that serve as counter > examples to the above statement(s)? OpenBSD? Go? Is there anything to > learn here? I also think it is team size. We never had more than 8 engineers on BitKeeper, and the core was really 4, and we kept adding features and the main code topped out at 128K lines. It got to 120K or so pretty quickly and then we just kept pushing for changesets that removed as much code as they added, bonus points for when they removed more than they added. I think if we had more people it would have been harder to keep things small and clean.