From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, PLING_QUERY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10662 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2021 01:16:14 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 Mar 2021 01:16:14 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0135A9BB85; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 11:16:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B54C9B68A; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 11:15:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 314559B68A; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 11:15:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from lax.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [45.32.70.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0879B688 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 11:15:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (unknown [121.200.11.253]) by lax.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9744727F7C; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 01:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCFD12635BE; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:15:28 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:15:28 +1100 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Josh Good Message-ID: <20210318011528.GA53947@eureka.lemis.com> References: <20210317203335.GA5249@naleco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210317203335.GA5249@naleco.com> Organization: LEMIS, 29 Stones Road, Dereel, VIC, Australia Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Subject: [TUHS] XENIX or UNIX? (was: Surprised about Unix System V in the 80's - so sparse!) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 17 March 2021 at 21:33:37 +0100, Josh Good wrote: > Hello UNIX veterans. > > So I stumbled online upon a copy of the book "SCO Xenix System V Operating > System User's Guide", from 1988, advertised as having 395 pages, and the > asked for price was 2.50 EUROs. I bought it, expecting --well, I don't know > exactly what I was expecting, something quaint and interesting, I suppose. > > I've received the book, and it is not a treasure trobe, to say the least. I > am in fact surprised at how sparse was UNIX System V of this age, almost > spartan. I'm surprised that nobody else mentioned this, but XENIX System V and UNIX System V were two very different beasts. I've used both, and XENIX is considerably worse. > And that's it. The communications part only deals the Micnet (a > serial-port based local networking scheme), and UUCP. No mention at > all of the words "Internet" or "TCP/IP", no even in the Index. It was available, and I had it installed. In fact, somewhere I still have the media, though it's unlikely that they're still readable. But like Interactive UNIX System V/386 (if I have the names, it was commercially oriented and sold each individual component separately, separate media, separate documentation, and these bloody license keys. > I'm probably spoiled from Linux having repositories full of packaged > free software, where the user just has to worry about "which is the > best of": email program, text editor, browser, image manipulation > program, video player, etc. I understand this now pretty well, how > spoiled are we these days. Yes, I had BSD/386 at the same time I actually had to use XENIX, and the difference was like night and day. I moved as much of my development environment to BSD as possible, not helped by XENIX's lack of NFS. I'm not sure it even had X. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAmBSqbAACgkQIubykFB6QiMaOQCfeIIV6RPF+V1HVhKX9U2lzmf0 bFkAn3ed7JwNgqXQw0jQz+k8UV4oeaCd =BocC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5--