From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 30743 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2021 14:03:54 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Apr 2021 14:03:54 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 43A739CA24; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 00:03:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11B19C641; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 00:02:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2FDD39C641; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 00:02:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from gran.naleco.com (91.74.9.212.dynamic.jazztel.es [212.9.74.91]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A17719C63F for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 00:02:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: by gran.naleco.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EBBAC11E1; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 16:02:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 16:02:31 +0200 From: Josh Good To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Message-ID: <20210402140229.GD1202@naleco.com> References: <20210401145025.GA1202@naleco.com> <202104020700.13270EDK018774@freefriends.org> <202104021026.132AQhs5014565@freefriends.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202104021026.132AQhs5014565@freefriends.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Subject: Re: [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 2021 Apr 2, 04:26, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > Steve Nickolas wrote: > > > There's still a cloud over Caldera's release, because the current license > > relies on assuming Caldera owned the copyright at the time (pretty sure > > the courts said they didn't). > > The cat's been out of the bag since ~ 2002, almost 20 years. In effect, > it's too late anyway. The source for ancient/research UNIX is out of the bag. An unclouded licence to freely use it, that is quite another thing. If Caldera/TSG didn't own the copyright for UNIX, and Novell did (and that has indeed been asserted by a judge in court), then Caldera/TSG had no title to relicense that source. In fact, it seems that SCO/Caldera/TSG just bought from Novell the "Unix business" without the UNIX copyrights, and in that vein Old-SCO had a contract with Novell to collect the UNIX royalties and then to pay said royalties to Novell keeping a cut of them "for the collecting services". So the key point here is "unclouded license". Look what is happening now to IBM because their matter with Caldera/TSG still had clouds of doubt about it. I have the suspicion that if Caldera/TSG/XinuOS is allowed to exist, they will use all and any cloud of doubt to drag to court any UNIX user who happens to have plenty of money and lacks a UNIX license directly gotten from the old AT&T or the old UNIX Labs. They are undead money-sucking vampires. -- Josh Good