From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13354 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2021 01:11:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Apr 2021 01:11:09 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 356BB9CACA; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:11:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB0C9C723; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:10:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 015A59C723; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:10:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BCBB9C722 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:10:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 1371AmbD223998 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 18:10:48 -0700 Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 1371AmUi223995 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 18:10:48 -0700 Message-Id: <202104070110.1371AmUi223995@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Dave Horsfall message dated "Wed, 07 Apr 2021 08:41:21 +1000." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <223993.1617757848.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 18:10:48 -0700 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix (had been How to Kill a Technical Conference X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Dave Horsfall writes: > And unlike the popular urban myth, Gary Kildall was not out playing golf > when IBM tried to contact him. The myth that I had always heard was that he was out flying his airplane. I asked Tom Rolander about it a few years ago, and it turns out that it is true but misleading; he was coming back from a customer visit, not goofing off. Another thing that Tom told me was that the reason that DRI didn't sign with IBM was that IBM wanted "we own all your stuff and you have liability for everything" terms. DRI wasn't willing to do that because they had a real business; Gates had nothing and therefore had nothing to lose. IBM was pretty heavy-handed. A while ago a kid that I mentored asked me to review an NDA that IBM wanted him to sign for a summer internship. It defined confidential material as "anything that is being done, has ever been done, or is being contemplated by IBM, any of its subsidiaries or assigns". I told him not to sign it unless they were willing to add "that we make you aware of" because there was probably nobody at IBM who knew all of that. So he went to Mozilla for the summer instead, got jazzed about open source, and made a good contribution. Then, his company was purchased by Red Hat and then by IBM, so I guess one can't escape. Jon