From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 20641 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2021 15:41:41 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Apr 2021 15:41:41 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0C8BA94115; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 01:41:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915F193D6B; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 01:41:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 72BDC93D6B; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 01:41:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA73293D69 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 01:41:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 1541D35E254; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 08:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 08:41:16 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Clem Cole Message-ID: <20210410154116.GG17236@mcvoy.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix (had been How to Kill a Technical Conference X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:12:51AM -0400, Clem Cole wrote: > On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 11:34 PM Ed Bradford wrote: > > > Why did a Ph.D., an academic, and a computer scientist not know about UNIX > > in 1974 or so? 1976? In 1976, some (many?) universities had source code. > > > > 4.) Fifth and Sixth Edition of Unix was $150 for university but to run it, > it took a larger at least 11/40 or 45, with a minimum of 64Kbytes to boot > and really need the full 256Kbytes to run acceptably and the cost of a 2.5M > byte RK05 disk was much greater per byte than tape -- thus the base system > it took to run it was at least $60K (in 1975 dollars) and typically cost > about two to four times that in practice. Remember the cost of > acquisition of the HW dominated many (most) choices. It was around 1983 or so when I bought a CP/M system, I think an Okidata. It was a weird, but fun, machine, had a printer built into the base behind the keyboard, dual 5" floppies, 128K less the bitmapped color display. $2000. It was slow but dramatically faster than 1/32-164th of a 1MB VAX 780.