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From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>, Paul Ruizendaal <pnr@planet.nl>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] 32V memory management: not quite V7 style swapping -- source code update
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 11:30:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210606183011.GA10697@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2NsDsMRQGQMK-cF2OSiN=UpjfYtO4cXcMuOfqdhEZ7zMg@mail.gmail.com>

BSD had networking.  Once you had that, you don't look back.  Sys V (and
prior) so far as I know, didn't get networking until Coherent did their
STREAMS stack that somehow ended up at Lachman - I ported it to a crazy
super computer and to SCO Unix.  SCO was pretty stock AT&T code and let
me tell you, it felt pretty crappy after having used BSD and then SunOS.
It was a giant step backwards.

I just think the BSD folks were moving forward faster.  Rob with start
talking about cat waving its tail, I get it, not everything was better
but a lot was.  Solid networking that performed was very pleasant.

On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 02:23:49PM -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> You got me thinking and I'm curious if anyone really knows historically how
> many sites ran a 32V system?   In those days (late 70s/early 80s) the
> universities that knew and and even many sites inside the Bell System, the
> Vaxen I ran 4.1BSD (say the Marx's brothers at Whippany along with the Vax
> in the underseas research lab were we put the AP I did for my thesis).
> There were a couple in Summit I know, and probably Homdel and I'm guessing
> in some of the operating companies, but I never got the feeling 32V was
> popular.  The folks with Vaxen that I knew, if you were able to run BSD
> (4.1 and eventually 4.2), did.  Later on the only non-'pure-joy' systems I
> knew were a couple of Ultrix systems because they wanted the support from
> DEC and IIRC were using FORTRAN and wanted the DEC compiler which only ran
> on Ultrix or VMS.  Inside of AT&T, I personally think I knew more folks
> with VMS (Fortran being the key anchor)  than those that ran 32V.
> ???

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Larry McVoy            	     lm at mcvoy.com             http://www.mcvoy.com/lm 

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-06 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-06 18:03 Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2021-06-06 18:23 ` Clem Cole
2021-06-06 18:30   ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2021-06-06 18:35     ` Clem Cole
2021-06-06 18:40       ` Warner Losh
2021-06-06 18:52         ` Richard Salz
2021-06-06 19:02           ` Clem Cole
2021-06-06 19:18             ` arnold
2021-06-06 19:35               ` Clem Cole
2021-06-06 19:45                 ` arnold
2021-06-06 20:46                   ` Clem Cole
2021-06-06 18:53       ` Clem Cole
2021-06-06 18:39     ` Warner Losh
2021-06-06 19:23       ` Clem Cole
2021-06-06 19:08   ` Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2021-06-07 19:24   ` Greg A. Woods

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