From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1789 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2021 18:30:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Jun 2021 18:30:35 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4D2509CA24; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:30:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E699C9DB; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:30:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 32FF19C9DA; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:30:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B65AE9C9D6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:30:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id EF90935E151; Sun, 6 Jun 2021 11:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 11:30:11 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Clem Cole Message-ID: <20210606183011.GA10697@mcvoy.com> References: <9CE2AC05-6B4E-475F-874F-426DD51A8859@planet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] 32V memory management: not quite V7 style swapping -- source code update X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list , Paul Ruizendaal Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" BSD had networking. Once you had that, you don't look back. Sys V (and prior) so far as I know, didn't get networking until Coherent did their STREAMS stack that somehow ended up at Lachman - I ported it to a crazy super computer and to SCO Unix. SCO was pretty stock AT&T code and let me tell you, it felt pretty crappy after having used BSD and then SunOS. It was a giant step backwards. I just think the BSD folks were moving forward faster. Rob with start talking about cat waving its tail, I get it, not everything was better but a lot was. Solid networking that performed was very pleasant. On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 02:23:49PM -0400, Clem Cole wrote: > Paul, > > You got me thinking and I'm curious if anyone really knows historically how > many sites ran a 32V system? In those days (late 70s/early 80s) the > universities that knew and and even many sites inside the Bell System, the > Vaxen I ran 4.1BSD (say the Marx's brothers at Whippany along with the Vax > in the underseas research lab were we put the AP I did for my thesis). > There were a couple in Summit I know, and probably Homdel and I'm guessing > in some of the operating companies, but I never got the feeling 32V was > popular. The folks with Vaxen that I knew, if you were able to run BSD > (4.1 and eventually 4.2), did. Later on the only non-'pure-joy' systems I > knew were a couple of Ultrix systems because they wanted the support from > DEC and IIRC were using FORTRAN and wanted the DEC compiler which only ran > on Ultrix or VMS. Inside of AT&T, I personally think I knew more folks > with VMS (Fortran being the key anchor) than those that ran 32V. > ??? -- --- Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm