From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25361 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2021 21:58:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Jun 2021 21:58:04 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E143E9C9AA; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 07:58:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A26B9C8E8; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 07:57:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 259A59C8E8; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 07:57:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16A1E9C8E7 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 07:57:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from kent.sdaoden.eu (kent.sdaoden.eu [10.5.0.2]) by sdaoden.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B960C16056; Wed, 16 Jun 2021 23:57:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by kent.sdaoden.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E8C74115F4; Wed, 16 Jun 2021 23:57:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 23:57:13 +0200 From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: Bakul Shah Message-ID: <20210616215713.f1CA8%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: References: <20210615221659.ltbL6%steffen@sdaoden.eu> Mail-Followup-To: Bakul Shah , Rob Pike , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.22-153-g062ff456ec OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] 70th anniversary of (official) programming errors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Bakul Shah wrote in : |> On Jun 15, 2021, at 8:48 PM, Rob Pike wrote: |> There are citations from Edison in the 19th century using the word, \ |> and a quote somewhere by Maurice Wilkes about the stairwell moment \ |> when he realized much of the rest of his life would be spent finding \ |> programming errors. |>=20 |> That moth was not the first bug, nor the first "bug", it was the \ |> first recorded "actual bug". |>=20 |> -rob |https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-institute/ieee-history/did-you-know-edison\ |-coined-the-term-bug Interesting, thanks! 1947, then. As you know well the BSD people dropped their calendar instead of fixing it. |Like Edison, she (Grace Hopper) was recalling the word=E2=80=99s older or= igins \ |in the Welsh bwg, the Scottish bogill or bogle, the German b=C3=B6gge, an= d \ (Only to clarify that =E2=80=9Eb=C3=B6gge=E2=80=9C is not a German word to = the best of my knowledge. I was looking, as it sounded so =C2=BBnorthern=C2=AB, there is =C2=BBBodden=C2=AB for example (a small bay with a very small aperture to the sea), but no?) |the Middle English bugge: the hobgoblins of pre-modern life, resurrected \ |in the 19th century as, to paraphrase philosopher Gilbert Ryle, ghosts \ |in the machine. That not me. If me, then Schopenhauer. I also do not like the Brainfuck language, for example. You know, if you have to go somewhere ... In some Bhuddhistic monasteries, for example, monks sit cross-legged in front of walls for hours each day. If you really want, that will help, if you have learned the lesson. Working in a kitchen garden is also advisable, you can reap. |Electrical circuits can have "bad connections" so I do wonder if Edison \ |coined this word based on "ghost like" faults that magically appear \ |and disappear! I seem to recall now that the bug story was clarified in the past already? Now it is for me anyway, thank you all for that. I was looking at BSD calendar mail and had a go. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)