From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14527 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2021 07:58:23 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jun 2021 07:58:23 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A9DA79C093; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:58:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A659BD17; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:57:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D07839BD17; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:57:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from lax.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [45.32.70.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CEA9BD16 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:57:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (unknown [121.200.11.253]) by lax.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D76280E5; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 07:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8E152635BE; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:57:35 +1000 (AEST) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:57:35 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: John Cowan Message-ID: <20210619075735.GQ23809@eureka.lemis.com> References: <20210615221659.ltbL6%steffen@sdaoden.eu> <20210616215713.f1CA8%steffen@sdaoden.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CaPKgh3XHpq3rEUV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: LEMIS, 29 Stones Road, Dereel, VIC, Australia Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Subject: [TUHS] =?iso-8859-1?q?Bugs=2C_B=C3=B6=C3=B6ge_and_Bogeymen_=28wa?= =?iso-8859-1?q?s=3A_70th_anniversary_of_=28official=29_programming_errors?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=29?= X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society , Bakul Shah Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --CaPKgh3XHpq3rEUV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 16:19:37 -0400, John Cowan wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 5:57 PM Steffen Nurpmeso wro= te: > >> (Only to clarify that ???b=C3=B6gge??? is not a German word to the best = of my >> knowledge. I was looking, as it sounded so =C2=BBnorthern=C2=AB, > > And so it is: it's Low Saxon, and also exists in the compound form > "b=C3=B6ggel-mann", plainly cognate to British English "bogeyman", Americ= an > English "boogeyman". Well, there are ways to check these things, especially since Steffen came up with alternatives. As they say, =E2=80=9EWas wei=C3=9F Duden?=E2= =80=9C. =46rom https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Boeoegg: wohl gek=C3=BCrzt aus =C3=A4lter schweizerisch B=C3=B6ggelmann, B=C3=B6li= mann =3D Schreckgestalt, Kobold, Herkunft ungekl=C3=A4rt; vgl. als =C3=A4hnliche Bezeichnung englisch bog(e)y (man) =3D Schreckgespenst, litauisch bu=C5=BE=E1=BB=B9s =3D (ausgestopfte) Schreckgestalt In other words, a Swiss German word with a derivation similar to what you expected. I hadn't expected that (the Swiss connection). The OED entry is way out of date (1887) and has nothing useful to say except: Found in literature only recently; old people vouched (1887) for its use in the nursery as early as 1825, but only as proper name (sense 1). Possibly a southern nursery form of bogle , boggle , and boggard , or going back like them to a simpler form which, as mentioned under bog n.1 and bogle n., may be a variant of bugge , bug n.1 =E2=80=98terror, bugbear, scarecrow=E2=80=99. But in the absence of evide= nce, positive statements concerning its relation to these words cannot be made. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php --CaPKgh3XHpq3rEUV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAmDNo28ACgkQIubykFB6QiP0vACgk1blGDVX4Mch1GfvJH8Rj+y8 Py8AoK7T8NxEaFQ0mfcTMqAcBfLeHIKl =mec2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CaPKgh3XHpq3rEUV--