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* Re: [TUHS] The Unix shell: a 50-year view
@ 2021-07-03 20:07 Jon Steinhart
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From: Jon Steinhart @ 2021-07-03 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Wow.  This is a terrible paper.  It's full of of incorrect, unsubstiantiated,
and meaningless statements.  It's so bad in my opinion that I'm not sorry
that I dropped my ACM membership a while ago.  These folks really needed an
editor.  The paper annoys me so much that I've decided to write a lengthy
note to the authors which I'll post here once I'm done.

Jon

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* Re: [TUHS] [tuhs] The Unix shell: a 50-year view
@ 2021-07-02 21:56 Henry Bent
  2021-07-04 18:17 ` John Dow via TUHS
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Henry Bent @ 2021-07-02 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Larry McVoy; +Cc: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list

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After rattling around in the back of a train car with nothing but my
thoughts, I emerged and said:

"systemd is a pox on our way of life"

and then promptly rolled over and went back to sleep.

-Henry

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 17:38, Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:

> As I started reading it I found plenty to disagree with in the first few
> paragraphs but they completely lost me at "After all, moving from System
> V init scripts to systemd has arguably improvedthe Linux boot sequence."
>
> Um, no, just, no.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 02, 2021 at 03:24:20PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
> > In this week's BSDNow.tv podcast, available at
> >
> >         https://www.bsdnow.tv/409
> >
> > there is a story about a new conference paper on the Unix shell.  The
> > paper is available at
> >
> >       Unix shell programming: the next 50 years
> >       HotOS '21: Workshop on Hot Topics in Operating Systems, Ann
> >       Arbor, Michigan, 1 June, 2021--3 June, 2021
> >       https://doi.org/10.1145/3458336.3465294
> >
> > The tone is overall negative, though they do say nice things about
> > Doug McIlroy and Steve Johnson, and they offer ideas about
> > improvements.
> >
> > List readers will have their own views of the paper.  My own is that,
> > despite its dark corners, the Bourne shell has served us
> > extraordinarily well, and I have been writing in it daily for decades
> > without being particularly bothered by the many issues raised by the
> > paper's authors.  Having dealt with so-called command shells on
> > numerous other operating systems, at least the Unix shells rarely get
> > in my way.
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > - Nelson H. F. Beebe                    Tel: +1 801 581 5254
>       -
> > - University of Utah                    FAX: +1 801 581 4148
>       -
> > - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB    Internet e-mail:
> beebe@math.utah.edu  -
> > - 155 S 1400 E RM 233                       beebe@acm.org
> beebe@computer.org -
> > - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA    URL:
> http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ -
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --
> ---
> Larry McVoy                  lm at mcvoy.com
> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm
>

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2021-07-06 16:23           ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-07-07  1:57             ` Dan Cross
2021-07-07 18:28               ` Jon Steinhart
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