From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 26296 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2021 23:46:42 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Sep 2021 23:46:42 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C2AE49CAD7; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:46:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0992C9CAC1; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:45:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3FCEB9CAB7; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:45:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9EBA9CAB9 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:45:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 18GNjFtG3316579 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 16:45:15 -0700 Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.16.1/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 18GNjFGn3316576 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 16:45:15 -0700 Message-Id: <202109162345.18GNjFGn3316576@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: TUHS main list In-reply-to: <20210916194103.GK26820@mcvoy.com> References: <202109161934.18GJYFsl881498@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210916194103.GK26820@mcvoy.com> Comments: In-reply-to Larry McVoy message dated "Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:41:03 -0700." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3316574.1631835915.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 16:45:15 -0700 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Subject: Re: [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware (Timothy Roscoe) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Larry McVoy writes: > I think it is that the newer kids are less willing to understand stuff. > So they build something on top that they understand. I agree that they > will hit problems and likely build "safe deposit boxes" because the > containers are "too complex". Like usual, we agree on this sort of stuff. A conundrum for me is that this stuff that "they understand" is in my opinion way more complicated than understanding computer hardware and/or an operating system. So I'm not sure where the win is. Jon