From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>,
Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware (Timothy Roscoe)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 17:44:25 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210917004425.GC18465@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YUPirNsIrHugCk0i@mit.edu>
On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 08:34:52PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> > What's changed is that we now take for granted that Linux is there, and
> > we've stopped asking questions about anything outside of that model.
>
> It's unclear to me that Linux is blamed as the reason why researchers
> have stopped asking questions outside of that model. Why should Linux
> have this effect when the presence of Unix didn't?
Linux runs on _everything_. From your phone to the top 500 HPC clusters.
Unix, for all that it did, never had that level of success. I credit
Unix for a lot, including showing Linux what it should be, but Linux
took that model and ran with it.
Plan 9 is very cool but I am channeling my inner Clem, Plan 9 didn't meet
Clem's law. It was never compelling enough to make the masses love it.
Linux was good enough.
We can argue about if that is a good thing or not, I've watched Linux
become more complex and seen docker et al react to that.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-17 0:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-01 21:58 Dan Cross
2021-09-02 8:42 ` Tony Finch
2021-09-03 0:19 ` John Cowan
2021-09-03 3:24 ` Douglas McIlroy
2021-09-03 13:21 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-08 11:14 ` Tony Finch
2021-09-16 19:27 ` Dan Cross
2021-09-17 0:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-17 0:44 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2021-09-17 17:07 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 1:33 ` Dan Cross
2021-09-02 15:41 ` Kevin Bowling
2021-09-02 20:12 ` Marshall Conover
2021-09-03 15:56 ` Warner Losh
2021-09-03 17:10 ` Adam Thornton
2021-09-03 17:28 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-03 17:42 ` John Floren
2021-09-03 19:02 ` Lawrence Stewart
2021-09-03 19:11 ` Clem Cole
2021-09-03 17:46 ` [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware [ really a comment on SoCs ] Jon Steinhart
2021-09-16 18:38 ` [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware (Timothy Roscoe) Dan Cross
2021-09-16 19:34 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-16 19:41 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-16 23:14 ` Marshall Conover
2021-09-16 23:44 ` Rob Pike
2021-09-17 0:37 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 1:38 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 3:54 ` John Cowan
2021-09-16 23:45 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 0:06 ` Al Kossow
2021-09-17 4:06 ` John Cowan
2021-09-17 4:18 ` Al Kossow
2021-09-17 0:32 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-16 23:54 ` David Arnold
2021-09-17 1:10 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 1:28 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 1:40 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 2:04 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 2:21 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 2:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-17 17:39 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 17:51 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 18:07 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 21:03 ` Derek Fawcus
2021-09-17 22:11 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-19 4:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-17 18:34 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 18:56 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 19:16 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 19:35 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 15:56 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 18:24 ` ron minnich
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