From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28375 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2021 18:07:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 17 Sep 2021 18:07:35 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E28E79CABA; Sat, 18 Sep 2021 04:07:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA7A9CAB9; Sat, 18 Sep 2021 04:07:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A59F99CAB3; Sat, 18 Sep 2021 04:07:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D78A9CAB2 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2021 04:07:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id C3E4135E104; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 11:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 11:07:10 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Jon Steinhart Message-ID: <20210917180710.GH18465@mcvoy.com> References: <202109161934.18GJYFsl881498@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210916194103.GK26820@mcvoy.com> <58BCBB10-A303-41C0-8620-992B107786BB@pobox.com> <202109171751.18HHpcAf3401326@darkstar.fourwinds.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202109171751.18HHpcAf3401326@darkstar.fourwinds.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware (Timothy Roscoe) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 10:51:38AM -0700, Jon Steinhart wrote: > So my question on many of these processors is, has anybody > given any thought to system architecture? Most likely all > of us have had to suffer with some piece of spiffy hardware > that was pretty much unprogrammable. Do the performance > numbers mean anything if they can't be achieved in an actual > system configuration? Apple, much to my surprise, has been thinking about this stuff. The M1 is one of the better thought out chips in a long time. I especially liked the idea of slow (and low battery draw) processors for some apps, and fast ones for apps that need fast. It's an obvious idea in retrospect but I hadn't thought to do it that way. Clever.