From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24481 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2021 22:12:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 17 Sep 2021 22:12:21 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BCC279CAD4; Sat, 18 Sep 2021 08:12:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412F29CAB5; Sat, 18 Sep 2021 08:11:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A6DC39CAB3; Sat, 18 Sep 2021 08:11:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BC719CAB2 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2021 08:11:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id D779E35E140; Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:11:49 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Derek Fawcus Message-ID: <20210917221149.GC3365@mcvoy.com> References: <202109161934.18GJYFsl881498@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210916194103.GK26820@mcvoy.com> <58BCBB10-A303-41C0-8620-992B107786BB@pobox.com> <202109171751.18HHpcAf3401326@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210917180710.GH18465@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware (Timothy Roscoe) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 10:03:42PM +0100, Derek Fawcus wrote: > On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 11:07:10AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > > > > Apple, much to my surprise, has been thinking about this stuff. > > The M1 is one of the better thought out chips in a long time. > > > I especially liked the idea of slow (and low battery draw) > > processors for some apps, and fast ones for apps that need > > fast. It's an obvious idea in retrospect but I hadn't thought > > to do it that way. Clever. > > I'd suggest that is not Apple, but ARM. That was sort of the whole > point of their BIG.little architecture with performance and efficiency > cores. Credit to ARM, but M1 was where I saw it first. The M1 performance is pretty impressive as well. Reminds me of LED bulbs: "Wait, these are brighter, use less power, and cost less? How is that a thing?"