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From: Jay Logue via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] moving directories in svr2
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 19:40:57 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211230034805.6CC299CD62@minnie.tuhs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211229193348.A4ED018C08E@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

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v6 mv is indeed limited to renaming directories.  However, mv on v7 is 
able to move directories. Considering the similarity between the code 
bases, I think it would be fairly straightforward to support directory 
move on v6 in the same manner as was done in v7.  (On a related tangent, 
I found it fairly straightforward to implement modern rename(2) 
semantics on top of both code bases in my retro-fuse filesystem [e.g. 
v6fs.c:559 
<https://github.com/jaylogue/retro-fuse/blob/b300865c1aa4c38930adea66de364f182c73b3b5/src/v6fs.c#L599>].  
Of course I had the benefit of a single-threaded execution environment.)

Given the way mkdir and directory renaming worked in v6/v7, I'm not sure 
the lack of atomicity in directory move would have made things any worse 
for operators. It's interesting though that dcheck does not look for 
malformed directory links.

--Jay

On 12/29/2021 11:33 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>      > From: Clem Cole
>
>      > Try it on V6 or V7 and you will get 'directory exists' as an error.
>
> The V6 'mv' is prepared to move a directory _within_ a directory (i.e.
> 'rename' functionality). I'm not sure why it's not prepared to move within
> a partition; probably whoever wrote it wasn't prepared to deal with all the
> extra work for that (unlink from the old '..', then link to the '..' in the
> new directory, etc, etc).
>
> (The MIT PWB1 had a 'mvdir' written by Jeff Schiller, so PWB1 didn't have
> 'move directory' functionality before that. MIT must have been using the PWB1
> system for 6.031, which I didn't recall; the comments in 'mvdir' refer to it
> being used there.)
>
> The V6 'mv' is fairly complicated (as I found out when I tried to modify it
> to use 'smdate()', so that moving a file didn't change its 'last write'
> date). Oddly enough, it is prepared to do cross-partition 'moves' (it forks a
> 'cp' to do the move). Although on V6, 'cp' only does one file; 'cp *.c
> {dest}' was not supported, there was 'cpall' for that. (Why no 'mvall', I
> wonder? It would have been trivial to clone 'cpall'.)
>
> Run fact; the V6 'mv' is the place that has the famous (?)  "values of B will
>   give rise to dom!" error message (in the directory-moing section).
>
>      > if the BSD mv command for 4.1 supported it. If it did then it was not
>      > atomic -- it would have had to create the new directory, move the
>      > contents independently and then remove the old one.
>
> Speaking of atomic operation, in V6 'mkdir' (not being a system call) was
> not atomic, so if interrupted at 'just the right time', it could leave
> the FS in an inconsistent state. That's the best reason I've come across
> to make 'mkdir' a system call - it can be made atomic that way.
>
> 	Noel

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-30  3:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-29 19:33 Noel Chiappa
2021-12-30  3:40 ` Jay Logue via TUHS [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-30  3:45 Noel Chiappa
2021-12-30  4:02 ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-30 16:40 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-30 22:31   ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31  0:43     ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-31  1:00       ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31  1:45         ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-31  2:23           ` Adam Thornton
2021-12-31 18:56       ` Chet Ramey
2021-12-31  3:08     ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-31  3:23       ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31  5:16         ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-31  5:21           ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31  5:55           ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31 13:32             ` Michael Kjörling
2021-12-31 15:53               ` Adam Thornton
2021-12-31 16:13                 ` Arthur Krewat
2021-12-31 18:17                 ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31 18:23                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-12-31 18:37                     ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31 18:29                   ` Arthur Krewat
2022-01-01  0:09                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 13:35                     ` Dan Cross
2022-01-03 20:23                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 20:45                         ` Warner Losh
2022-01-03 21:15                         ` Dan Cross
2022-01-03 22:26                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 23:10                             ` Dan Cross
2022-01-04 15:45                             ` Chet Ramey
2022-01-09 19:28                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-03 23:21                           ` Doug McIntyre
2022-01-03 23:37                             ` Adam Thornton
2022-01-04 14:49                               ` Stuart Remphrey
2022-01-03 23:44                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-03 23:56                               ` Warner Losh
2022-01-04  2:28                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-04  2:42                                 ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-03 22:57                         ` Phil Budne
2021-12-31  5:12       ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-29 19:13 Douglas McIlroy
2021-12-29 19:37 ` Dan Cross
2021-12-29 20:15   ` Dan Cross
2021-12-29 20:42     ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 20:58       ` Dan Cross
2021-12-29 21:20         ` Clem Cole
2021-12-30  3:15       ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-29 17:12 Douglas McIlroy
2021-12-29 16:59 Bakul Shah
2021-12-29 17:04 ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 17:14 ` arnold
2021-12-29 17:38   ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 17:49     ` Brantley Coile
2021-12-29 18:27       ` ron minnich
2021-12-29 20:59         ` Rob Pike
2021-12-29 14:33 Will Senn
2021-12-29 15:02 ` arnold
2021-12-29 15:38   ` Will Senn
2021-12-29 15:44     ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 16:17       ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 16:58         ` Richard Salz
2021-12-30  5:14         ` Dan Stromberg
2021-12-30 16:22           ` Clem Cole
2021-12-30 18:02           ` John Cowan
2021-12-30 23:04             ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 15:17 ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 15:44   ` Will Senn
2021-12-29 16:10     ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 16:33       ` Warner Losh
2021-12-29 16:01   ` Bakul Shah

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