From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25297 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2022 00:13:24 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jan 2022 00:13:24 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7EBED9D04A; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 10:13:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A159CF06; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 10:12:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 77ECE9CF06; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 10:12:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1A119CE58 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 10:12:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 8EC6435E0F8; Sat, 1 Jan 2022 16:12:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 16:12:44 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Jon Steinhart Message-ID: <20220102001244.GF10078@mcvoy.com> References: <20211231234039.GU31637@mcvoy.com> <202201012000.201K0Fd31610896@darkstar.fourwinds.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202201012000.201K0Fd31610896@darkstar.fourwinds.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] roff(7) [ and other related stuff ] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Sat, Jan 01, 2022 at 12:00:15PM -0800, Jon Steinhart wrote: > This is my biggest issue with "modern software development". Seems like every > project has to begin with it's own language, build system, package manager, > and so on. Were I a modern software developer I'd create all that plus a new > email client just to send this message :-) None of this behavior adds value. > It makes it so that practitioners have to learn many arcane incompatible > systems that all do pretty much the same thing. This. This is it. You and I must be the same kind of weird because when I wanted a scripting language that wasn't TCL weirdness, I had a compiler built that compiled stuff that so looked like C, I had a guy fix a bug in a patch that flew by. My big complaint with stuff like Rust, or even Go (sorry Rob), is that they picked a different syntax. Why not just use C syntax and extend it to do what you want? Why must every project redo everything. --lm who has moved to full on "Get off my lawn"