From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3905 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2022 05:13:24 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Jan 2022 05:13:24 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6E9089C1DC; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:13:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FEE9C0CA; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:12:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 497CD9C0CA; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:12:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from lax.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [45.32.70.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB2C9C0BE for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:12:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (121-200-11-253.79c80b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [121.200.11.253]) by lax.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20EF28034; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 05:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 470892635C0; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 16:12:47 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 16:12:47 +1100 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Larry McVoy Message-ID: <20220111051247.GC61872@eureka.lemis.com> References: <20211231234039.GU31637@mcvoy.com> <20220101005605.GL75481@eureka.lemis.com> <20220101031511.GB8135@mcvoy.com> <20220111015901.GE25103@eureka.lemis.com> <4409b91cd794867d@orthanc.ca> <20220111024218.GE3441@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ABTtc+pdwF7KHXCz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20220111024218.GE3441@mcvoy.com> Organization: LEMIS, 29 Stones Road, Dereel, VIC, Australia Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Demise of TeX and groff (was: roff(7)) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list , Douglas McIlroy Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --ABTtc+pdwF7KHXCz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 18:42:18 -0800, Larry McVoy wrote: > It's docs. The *roff docs were locked up with the Unix license. > Those docs were awesome, terse but full of info like the C book. > Unlike the C book they were not readily available. My Uni had a > Unix license so I still have the stack of docs, decades later, > still useful. Are these the PSD docs that are included with FreeBSD, or something else? > Tim O'Reilly got it, wrote a book about it but I think it was too > little too late. For a time perspective, this was 1987, before O'Reilly and Associates was founded. But the macros they (also, primarily, Dale Dougherty) described there are the basis for the macros they used at ORA when I started writing for them in 1993. Some time round the turn of the millennium they then migrated to DocBook, at least for the author interface. I think that they had some magic to then convert it to groff. So I don't think it was "too late"; the DocBook conversion suggests that the authors didn't like groff, though I thought that the conversion was a retrograde step. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php --ABTtc+pdwF7KHXCz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAmHdEc8ACgkQIubykFB6QiODvACgsqwN23OsNQ6DMX3M8VmCS690 PHkAn3BdYpScO8QbrpI2Xh6J46/4G/T8 =Qbk1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ABTtc+pdwF7KHXCz--