From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24060 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2022 21:03:32 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Jan 2022 21:03:32 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 707A19CFF7; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 07:03:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B159CFC9; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 07:03:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C3B379CFC9; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 07:03:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 626509C78F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 07:03:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 20BL3DvC2357492 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 13:03:13 -0800 Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.16.1/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 20BL3DdD2357489 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 13:03:13 -0800 Message-Id: <202201112103.20BL3DdD2357489@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org In-reply-to: <20220111204941.GB3441@mcvoy.com> References: <20220111015901.GE25103@eureka.lemis.com> <4409b91cd794867d@orthanc.ca> <20220111024218.GE3441@mcvoy.com> <20220111051247.GC61872@eureka.lemis.com> <202201110857.20B8v9vB020861@freefriends.org> <202201112015.20BKFhWT2355400@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20220111202241.GZ3441@mcvoy.com> <202201112026.20BKQC9r2356242@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20220111203618.GA3441@mcvoy.com> <202201112041.20BKfbwg2356679@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20220111204941.GB3441@mcvoy.com> Comments: In-reply-to Larry McVoy message dated "Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:49:41 -0800." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2357487.1641934993.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 13:03:13 -0800 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Subject: Re: [TUHS] Demise of TeX and groff (was: roff(7)) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Larry McVoy writes: > He editted the roff input directly. I gave him a copy of BitKeeper > and he used that to check in. Comments were check in comments. Yeah, I get this. But I was dealing with a publisher whose staff was trained differently and weren't going to learn roff just for me. They (No Starch Press) do a lot of books per year, and it didn't make sense for them to retrain just for me. And, it wasn't just one editor; there were many passes with many different editors, some of whom were contract editors that Bill wasn't going to pay to learn new stuff. Bottom line is that I think that it would be awesome to have a WYSIWYG front end to the roff tools. Clearly not impossible as even Word and such as some sort of back end format which was only made possible by calling it markup instead of macros :-)