From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13693 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2022 00:07:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 12 Jan 2022 00:07:04 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 271289CFD1; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:06:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233079CFC9; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:06:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C3C6E9CFC9; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:06:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9024D9C78F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:06:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 20C06iNK2363579 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 16:06:44 -0800 Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.16.1/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 20C06iEA2363576 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 16:06:44 -0800 Message-Id: <202201120006.20C06iEA2363576@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: TUHS main list In-reply-to: References: <20211231234039.GU31637@mcvoy.com> <20220101005605.GL75481@eureka.lemis.com> <20220101031511.GB8135@mcvoy.com> Comments: In-reply-to Blake McBride message dated "Tue, 11 Jan 2022 16:48:12 -0600." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2363574.1641946004.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 16:06:44 -0800 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Subject: Re: [TUHS] TeX and groff (was: roff(7)) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Blake McBride writes: > I suppose #4 was my whole point about both TeX and troff. They're both > great tools. Perhaps people used them in the past because there weren't > many other solutions. You had to learn them. These days people prefer the > simpler tools such as Word, OpenOffice, etc. Although they can't produce > the same quality, they can produce sufficient quality with a smaller > learning curve. Don't get me wrong, I despise Word. I just don't find my > feelings echoed very much. Some things TeX and troff are going to need in > order to continue: I disagree with your characterization that things like Word are simpler tools. They're way more complex than troff or TeX, both in code and usability. FYI, last time I saw Don he was asked what his biggest mistake ever was. His response was making the basic unit size in TeX a power of 2 instead of a power of 10. While I'm at it, a shill also asked him what his favorite joke was. His answer: A guy goes into the county clerk and asks to legally change his name. The clerk asks "What would you like to change it to?" The guy responds "Control G". The clerk says "That rings a bell."