From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3755 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2022 02:37:02 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Jan 2022 02:37:02 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3A8309B95A; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:37:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1230D9510A; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:36:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BAA3E9510A; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:36:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A879995109 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:36:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 2301635E1BA; Fri, 28 Jan 2022 18:36:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 18:36:41 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" Message-ID: <20220129023641.GL16452@mcvoy.com> References: <54965199-5023-4F99-AF27-8615E319E302@cfcl.com> <20220127015505.GC10568@netmeister.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] FYI: Internet Old Farts Club X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 09:24:24PM -0500, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 05:59:52PM -0800, Charles Anthony wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 17:56 Jan Schaumann via TUHS > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Kinda feel like being an Old Fart and joining a > > > Facebook group are mutually exclusive. Now if it was > > > a newsgroup, perhaps, or a FidoNet BBS, ... > > > > > > > We can do 'forum' on Multics. > > There's a re-implementation of 'forum' called Discuss[1] that was > implemented by the MIT Student Information Board. It has a 'forum' > feel, and the ss (subsystem) library provides the CLI interface which > is reminiscent of Multics forum. > > [1] http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.31.8576&rep=rep1&type=pdf > > The ss and et (error_table) libraries that were originally written for > the Discuss system are still in use today as part of Linux's ext2/3/4 > userspace utilities, e2fsprogs. (The debugfs program uses the ss > library, as does a few regression test drivers for some unit tests). > The ss library is also used for the Kerberos v5 Administration > Server. > > - Ted It's amazing how long stuff lives, very cool. Just like the runoff thread, stuff goes back to Multics and even earlier. Good ideas die hard. I also think that any idea of Facebook group for old Unix people is dead in the water. I can only speak for myself but hell will freeze over before I have a Facebook account, they have engineers that target kids, they have to pay more because people are ashamed to work there. It just makes me sad to think that technology is being used like Facebook does. It's just my opinion, but the world would be a better place if Facebook ceased to exist. If we need another place for old farts to hang out, there are many. I like groups.io, it's free for most stuff, it's super easy to be a moderator, I moderate 12 groups there and am a member of a bunch more. What they call groups, we would call an email list with a bunch of knobs that help keep things sane. --lm