From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9592 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2022 19:37:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Jan 2022 19:37:27 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 286549518E; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 05:37:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF859510A; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 05:37:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 50EC09510A; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 05:37:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F49C95109 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 05:36:59 +1000 (AEST) X-Envelope-From: arnold@skeeve.com Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 20TJaulp002129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:36:57 -0700 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 20TJatB9002128; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:36:55 -0700 From: arnold@skeeve.com Message-Id: <202201291936.20TJatB9002128@freefriends.org> X-Authentication-Warning: frenzy.freefriends.org: arnold set sender to arnold@skeeve.com using -f Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:36:55 -0700 To: will.senn@gmail.com, cowan@ccil.org References: <0f83f174-eeca-30fb-7b98-77fb0da80f2e@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] Looking back to 1981 - what pascal was popular on what unix? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" The code from Software Tools in Pascal is in the TUHS archives (courtesy of yours truly, quite some time ago). See Applications/Software_Tools/swt/Pascal/* So give them a go. :-) Arnold John Cowan wrote: > It would be interesting to know if the S.T. in P. programs will run on > {GNU,Free} Pascal. > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:41 PM Will Senn wrote: > > > On 1/28/22 5:31 PM, Will Senn wrote: > > > > On 1/28/22 5:18 PM, Dan Cross wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 6:09 PM Will Senn wrote: > > > >> I'm reading in, Kernighan & Plauger's 1981 edition of Software Tools in > >> Pascal and in the book, the author's mention Bill Joy's Pascal and Andy > >> Tanenbaum's as being rock solid. So, a few related questions: > >> > >> 1. What edition of UNIX were they likely to be using? > >> > > > > I'm afraid I can't speak to your 2nd and 3rd questions, but I can offer > > what I think is a reasonable guess about the first. > > > > One of the neat things about Unix and Unix-adjacent books of that era is > > that very often the copyright page held some information about the > > production of the book itself. I just so happened to have a copy of, > > "Software Tools in Pascal" sitting on my desk, and it says, "This books as > > set in Times Roman and Courier by the authors, using a Mergenthaler > > Linotron 202 phototypesetter driven by a PDP-11/70 running the Unix > > operating system." > > > > Given the PDP-11 and the date (1981) one may reasonably conclude that it > > was running 7th Edition. I imagine the pascal was Joy's, from Berkeley. > > > > - Dan C. > > > > Great hint. 20 seconds after I hit send on the original email, I came > > across this: > > http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/bwk-on-pascal.html > > > > Where Brian Kernighan talks about the challenges they faced porting the > > ratfor examples into pascal. He explains that: > > > > The programs were first written in that dialect of Pascal supported by the > > Pascal interpreter pi provided by the University of California at Berkeley. The > > language is close to the nominal standard of Jensen and Wirth,(6 > > ) with good > > diagnostics and careful run-time checking. Since then, the programs have > > also been run, unchanged except for new libraries of primitives, on four > > other systems: an interpreter from the Free University of Amsterdam > > (hereinafter referred to as VU, for Vrije Universiteit), a VAX version of > > the Berkeley system (a true compiler), a compiler purveyed by Whitesmiths, > > Ltd., and UCSD Pascal on a Z80. All but the last of these Pascal systems > > are written in C. > > > > So, you were right about it being Joy's pi. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Will > > > > > > On the good news front, I was able to find a working pi/px environment - > > 4.2bsd built from tape on simulated vax780 works great (thank god vi works > > there, too) and will run the programs in the book without mods, out of the > > box. 4.3 would probably work similarly (I put it on the list). I tried > > compiling the pascal distributed via 2bsd on v7, but wasn't able to get it > > built (story of my life). This is prolly expected because the notes in the > > distro say "This is still set up for version 6", so I'll stick with 4.2 for > > the time being. Just glad to have a working environment to supplement the > > reading. > > > > Will > >