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* [TUHS] Ratfor s
@ 2022-01-30 16:03 Will Senn
  2022-01-30 16:09 ` arnold
  2022-01-30 17:02 ` Clem Cole
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Will Senn @ 2022-01-30 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for unix on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of Software Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line version :).

Will

Sent from my iPhone

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* Re: [TUHS] Ratfor s
  2022-01-30 16:03 [TUHS] Ratfor s Will Senn
@ 2022-01-30 16:09 ` arnold
  2022-01-30 16:12   ` Will Senn
  2022-01-30 17:02 ` Clem Cole
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: arnold @ 2022-01-30 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: will.senn, tuhs

Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for unix on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of Software Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line version :).
>
> Will
>
> Sent from my iPhone

I've never heard of this. Can you give some background please?

Thanks,

Arnold

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* Re: [TUHS] Ratfor s
  2022-01-30 16:09 ` arnold
@ 2022-01-30 16:12   ` Will Senn
  2022-01-31  7:13     ` arnold
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Will Senn @ 2022-01-30 16:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: arnold; +Cc: tuhs

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Hi Arnold,

It was mentioned in the STinP edit discussion, so of course, I had to go looking! Here's the referenced article by Fraser:

https://archive.org/details/compact-portable-crt

Will
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:09 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> 
> Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for unix on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of Software Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line version :).
>> 
>> Will
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> I've never heard of this. Can you give some background please?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Arnold

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* Re: [TUHS] Ratfor s
  2022-01-30 16:03 [TUHS] Ratfor s Will Senn
  2022-01-30 16:09 ` arnold
@ 2022-01-30 17:02 ` Clem Cole
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Clem Cole @ 2022-01-30 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Will Senn; +Cc: tuhs

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On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:03 AM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for unix
> on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of Software
> Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line
> version :).


I'm not sure they are the same editor.  The C program called s is part of
Webb Miller's Software Tools Sampler and it's a full editor, not a front
end [see: Webb Miller's S Tiny VI editor <https://github.com/udo-munk/s>
].  By design, it is mostly vi compatible.  This paper from Chris Feazer
seems to be a front end for SWT editor, and was original done on the PDP-10
[which makes sense] and seems to be contemporary to the vi work at UCB and
in fact called back to the SWT editor (which was >>modeled<< on UNIX ed),
as opposed to ex/vi which are extensions to the v6 implementation of the
UNIX ed editor.

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* Re: [TUHS] Ratfor s
  2022-01-30 16:12   ` Will Senn
@ 2022-01-31  7:13     ` arnold
  2022-01-31  7:21       ` arnold
  2022-01-31 20:22       ` Noel Hunt
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: arnold @ 2022-01-31  7:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: will.senn, arnold; +Cc: tuhs

Thanks for the link. I skimmed it and will read it later.

What struck me was the splitting of the editor into front and back ends
that did not have to be on the same machine. Rob Pike used that design
for "sam" somewhat later. I wonder if he got the idea from 's' or came
up with it on his own... (Dough, thoughts?)

Thanks,

Arnold

Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Arnold,
>
> It was mentioned in the STinP edit discussion, so of course, I had to go looking! Here's the referenced article by Fraser:
>
> https://archive.org/details/compact-portable-crt
>
> Will
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:09 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> > 
> > Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for unix on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of Software Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line version :).
> >> 
> >> Will
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > I've never heard of this. Can you give some background please?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Arnold

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* Re: [TUHS] Ratfor s
  2022-01-31  7:13     ` arnold
@ 2022-01-31  7:21       ` arnold
  2022-01-31 20:22       ` Noel Hunt
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: arnold @ 2022-01-31  7:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: will.senn, arnold; +Cc: tuhs

arnold@skeeve.com wrote:

> Thanks for the link. I skimmed it and will read it later.
>
> What struck me was the splitting of the editor into front and back ends
> that did not have to be on the same machine. Rob Pike used that design
> for "sam" somewhat later. I wonder if he got the idea from 's' or came
> up with it on his own... (Dough, thoughts?)

Typo (embarassment). Should be "Doug, thoughts?".  Sigh.

> Thanks,
>
> Arnold
>
> Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arnold,
> >
> > It was mentioned in the STinP edit discussion, so of course, I had to go looking! Here's the referenced article by Fraser:
> >
> > https://archive.org/details/compact-portable-crt
> >
> > Will
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:09 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for unix on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of Software Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line version :).
> > >> 
> > >> Will
> > >> 
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > I've never heard of this. Can you give some background please?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Arnold

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* Re: [TUHS] Ratfor s
  2022-01-31  7:13     ` arnold
  2022-01-31  7:21       ` arnold
@ 2022-01-31 20:22       ` Noel Hunt
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Noel Hunt @ 2022-01-31 20:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: arnold; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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The splitting you talk about came about because of the Blit, one part
of a program running on the host, the 'graphical' part on the terminal,
i.e., the Blit; the two parts communicated with a simple protocol, an
example of which you can see in 'sam'. 'Cip', 'proof', 'jim', 'sam' and
'pi' (really, 'pads'), followed this model. It wasn't necessary I think
with all programs, and I'm sure 'icon', the bitmap editor, didn't.

If you look in the various Blit/Jerq source directories in the distributions
you will see programs with a 'host' and 'term' subdirectory.


On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 6:18 PM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the link. I skimmed it and will read it later.
>
> What struck me was the splitting of the editor into front and back ends
> that did not have to be on the same machine. Rob Pike used that design
> for "sam" somewhat later. I wonder if he got the idea from 's' or came
> up with it on his own... (Dough, thoughts?)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arnold
>
> Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arnold,
> >
> > It was mentioned in the STinP edit discussion, so of course, I had to go
> looking! Here's the referenced article by Fraser:
> >
> > https://archive.org/details/compact-portable-crt
> >
> > Will
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:09 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for
> unix on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of
> Software Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375
> line version :).
> > >>
> > >> Will
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > I've never heard of this. Can you give some background please?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Arnold
>

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