From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_REPLY_C, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 8566 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2022 00:39:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Feb 2022 00:39:04 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 944869D0B6; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 10:39:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C999B9F3; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 10:38:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A21299B9F3; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 10:38:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from lax.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [45.32.70.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE839B95E for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 10:38:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (121-200-11-253.79c80b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [121.200.11.253]) by lax.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B64280E4; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 00:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C20A02635C0; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:38:36 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:38:36 +1100 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Will Senn , Larry McVoy Message-ID: <20220202003836.GE17267@eureka.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gneEPciiIl/aKvOT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20220201214753.GA25875@mcvoy.com> Organization: LEMIS, 29 Stones Road, Dereel, VIC, Australia Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Subject: Re: [TUHS] BSD 4.1, 4.1x, Quasijarus, and 4.3x X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --gneEPciiIl/aKvOT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 1 February 2022 at 15:34:53 -0600, Will Senn wrote: > All, > > I did my research on this, but it's still a bit fuzzy (why is it that > people's memories from 40 years ago are so malleable?). > > 1. What are y'all's recollections regarding BSD 4.1's releases, vis a > vis the VAX. In McKusick's piece, Twenty Years of Berkeley Unix, I get > one perspective, and from Sokolov's Quasijarus project, I get quite > another. Kirk was there the whole time, from far earlier until the end of the CSRG. Sokolov came later, and to my recollection he wasn't involved in core BSD at all. I don't have any personal recollections of the time, but it seems clear who is more plausible. > 5. Has anyone unearthed an original 4.1 tape, or is Haertel's > reconstruction of the 1981 tape 1 release as close as it gets? Clearly this is beyond what is on the 4 CD set, right? That tree contains a file TAPE with the comments (inter alia) Extracted from two 4.1BSD distribution tapes dated 7/10/81. First label on the tape: 4.1bsd VAX UNIX System 7/10/81 5 files on tape: 1 (boot stuff) 2 (root dump) 3 (/usr) 4 (/usr/src) 5(4.0/4.1) last three are tar; 1600 bpi But presumably you know that. Was this the Haertel reconstruction you mention? On Tuesday, 1 February 2022 at 13:47:53 -0800, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Tue, Feb 01, 2022 at 03:34:53PM -0600, Will Senn wrote: >> 2. Sokolov implies that the CSRG mission started going off the rails with >> the 4.3/4.3BSD-Tahoe and it all went pear shaped with the 4.3-Reno release, >> and that Quasijarus puts the mission back on track, is that so? > > I think the issue was that some of the core CSRG people went off to > form BSDi to try and sell BSD on PCs. BSDI came later, and the founders weren't CSRG people, though some CSRG people did join the company. I think the real issue was that CSRG no longer had a purpose: the research aspect was over and done with, and the funding dried up. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php --gneEPciiIl/aKvOT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAmH50owACgkQIubykFB6QiO/+QCeLYed3r4l5NI4rQNtIb2FADTF sXEAoIL96iU8uwMZHYGL+KC4Mi9Sbj1i =JbDr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gneEPciiIl/aKvOT--