From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 913 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2022 02:40:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Feb 2022 02:40:43 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 672359D4C1; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 12:40:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E6395129; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 12:40:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2906395129; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 12:40:20 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 338 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 12:40:19 AEST Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24AA19510A for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 12:40:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 2142YejZ3307559 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:34:40 -0800 Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.16.1/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 2142YeKN3307556 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:34:40 -0800 Message-Id: <202202040234.2142YeKN3307556@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-reply-to: References: <202202011537.211FbYSe017204@freefriends.org> <20220201155225.5A9541FB21@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <202202020747.2127lTTh005669@freefriends.org> <7C19F93B-4F21-4BB1-A064-0307D3568DB7@cfcl.com> <1nFWmo-1Gn-00@marmaro.de> Comments: In-reply-to Adam Thornton message dated "Thu, 03 Feb 2022 19:23:36 -0700." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3307554.1643942080.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:34:40 -0800 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Subject: Re: [TUHS] more about Brian... [really Rust] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Adam Thornton writes: > Do the august personages on this list have opinions about Rust? > People who generally have tastes consonant with mine tell me I'd like Rust. Well, I'm not an august personage and am not a Rust programmer. I did spend a while trying to learn rust a while ago and wasn't impressed. Now, I'm heavily biased in that I think that it doesn't add value to keep inventing new languages to do the same old things, and I didn't see anything in Rust that I couldn't do in a myriad of other languages. But, my real issue came from some of the tutorials that I perused. Rust is being sold as "safer". As near as I can tell from the tutorials, the model is that nothing works unless you enable it. Want to be able to write a variable? Turn that on. So it seemed like the general style was to write code and then turn various things on until it ran. To me, this implies a mindset that programming errors are more important than thinking errors, and that one should hack on things until they work instead of thinking about what one is doing. I know that that's the modern definition of programming, but will never be for me. Jon