From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10013 invoked from network); 26 May 2022 01:54:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 May 2022 01:54:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CB340C8B; Thu, 26 May 2022 11:54:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40A6840C50 for ; Thu, 26 May 2022 11:54:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id C0F0D35E91C; Wed, 25 May 2022 18:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 18:54:36 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Clem Cole Message-ID: <20220526015436.GP30142@mcvoy.com> References: <202205242329.24ONT3wQ029514@freefriends.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: SRHH6SMYDTWR6XKKASMTAI6XMHNR5X3O X-Message-ID-Hash: SRHH6SMYDTWR6XKKASMTAI6XMHNR5X3O X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: ACM opens up much of its archives List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: I'll admit to being butt hurt about all of these journal places being behind a paywall. 90% or 99.9% of that work was funded by our tax dollars, right? Then the journal organization says you have to pay more. It pisses me off. If you are doing research you want to share that to help the world. Then you publish and they hide your work behind a paywall. On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 11:53:15AM -0400, Clem Cole wrote: > Indeed -- a small step in the right direction by ACM, but don't be too > excited. If you go to the ACM DL website, sadly, most of the library is > still behind the paywall (or not scanned). I do still have access > from Intel, but when I retire, I think I will lose that access - even > though I'm a long-time ACM (and IEEE) member. In fact, the thing about ACM > and IEEE that frosts my cookies the most is that I already paid for these > journals. [My wife would love it if I got rid of them from the basement, > but if I do, I lose that investment]. > > FWIW: the single item that I am the proudest of when I was USENIX President > was opening access to its entire library to everyone - members or > otherwise. This meant taking a leap of faith by the org that people would > stay members - as it does cost the USENIX money to be there for us all (so > I highly encourage people on this list to consider it to support the work > they continue to do -- https://www.usenix.org/membership). > > Clem > ??? > > On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 7:29 PM wrote: > > > > > https://associationsnow.com/2022/05/the-way-things-were-why-open-access-to-the-a > > cm-digital-library-matters/ > > > > > > -- --- Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm