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From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Fwd: [simh] Announcing the Open SIMH project
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 19:36:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220606023614.GJ10240@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEoi9W5iPb6NnB-Lqyui+15FsBKBbdfkhnEY5FH+wuPf07UE5g@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 05, 2022 at 09:40:44PM -0400, Dan Cross wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 9:15 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> > Today's FreeBSD install process is like a trip back to 1980.  It is
> > not pleasant.  The Linux install process 15 years ago was a better
> > experience than Windows install process (if you've done the windows
> > install then get some ethernet dongle that windows recognizes so you can
> > connect to the internet, then do the driver search and install, install,
> > install all the drivers - contrast that with Linux where it just has 99%
> > of the drivers in the kernel).
> 
> But every distribution has its own installer, and they vary wildly.

Indeed they do.  I'd put RedHat as the best of the best, but truth be
told, Debian is not bad, it's more basic but it works.

I disagree about the BSDs being similar to Linux, go partition a
disk with FreeBSD and then compare that to Linux.  It's night and day.
The Linux stuff works and is obvious, the FreeBSD stuff only makes sense
if you have been using that forever, it's awful if you are a newbie.
And I say that as a guy who went through Sun's stuff, it was similar to
FreeBSD but a bit better.

Linux really did just make stuff work.  Is it elegant like v7 was, absolutely
not.  Does it handle a ton of stuff that nobody could imagine in the v7 days?
Absolutely yes.  Is it more complex than it should be?  I dunno, it is more
complex than I like but I'm an old graybeard.  I really wanted coarse graine
locking with what Clem and crew did with the cluster approach.  The vproc 
stuff.  I loved that and I think that is the knee of the curve, scale up
a bit on SMP but then cluster to scale up more.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-06  2:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2022-06-03 20:00     ` [TUHS] " Clem Cole
2022-06-03 20:12       ` [TUHS] " Blake McBride
2022-06-03 20:23       ` G. Branden Robinson
2022-06-03 21:06         ` Clem Cole
2022-06-03 21:20           ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2022-06-03 21:32             ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-03 21:34               ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2022-06-03 21:37                 ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-03 21:36               ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2022-06-03 21:40                 ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-03 22:16                   ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2022-06-03 22:30                     ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-03 22:52                       ` Warner Losh
2022-06-03 23:48                         ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-04  0:10                           ` Warner Losh
2022-06-04  1:05                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-04  1:46                               ` David Arnold
2022-06-06  0:32                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-06-06  0:47                                 ` George Michaelson
2022-06-06  1:17                                   ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-06  1:02                                 ` Warner Losh
2022-06-06  1:09                                 ` Dan Cross
2022-06-06  1:15                                 ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-06  1:40                                   ` Dan Cross
2022-06-06  2:36                                     ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2022-06-06 12:43                                       ` Dan Cross
2022-06-06 13:41                                         ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-06 14:27                                           ` Blake McBride
2022-06-06 14:33                                             ` Steve Nickolas
2022-06-06 14:53                                     ` Henry Bent
2022-06-06 23:28                                       ` David Arnold
2022-06-07 14:30                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-06-07 15:08                                       ` Dan Cross
2022-06-07 15:25                                         ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-07 16:03                                           ` Will Senn
2022-06-07 16:38                                             ` Warner Losh
2022-06-07 16:45                                               ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-07 16:57                                                 ` Warner Losh
2022-06-07 17:05                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-07 16:46                                               ` Blake McBride
2022-06-07 17:26                                                 ` Paul Winalski
2022-06-07 20:09                                                   ` Blake McBride
2022-06-07 17:00                                               ` Paul Winalski
2022-06-07 23:41                                                 ` [TUHS] " Chris Hanson
2022-06-07 15:55                                         ` [TUHS] Re: Fwd: " Richard Salz
2022-06-03 23:56                         ` David Arnold
2022-06-04  0:30                           ` Yeechang Lee
2022-06-04  1:03                             ` Adam Thornton
2022-06-03 22:33                     ` Warner Losh
2022-06-03 22:40                       ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2022-06-03 22:56                         ` Warner Losh
2022-06-03 22:26               ` Warner Losh
2022-06-03 22:19             ` Warner Losh
2022-06-03 21:35         ` Ben Walton
2022-06-03 20:52       ` Will Senn
2022-06-03 21:06         ` [TUHS] " Adam Thornton
2022-06-04  9:09           ` Ralph Corderoy
2022-06-04  2:59 [TUHS] Re: Fwd: " Bakul Shah

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