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From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Fwd: [simh] Announcing the Open SIMH project
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 06:41:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220606134101.GB15041@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEoi9W4hnso9Sv_ecAbVKreckx-5RP0R7aZ1m_0+zhvo0+eDBg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 08:43:01AM -0400, Dan Cross wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> > I disagree about the BSDs being similar to Linux, go partition a
> > disk with FreeBSD and then compare that to Linux.  It's night and day.
> > The Linux stuff works and is obvious, the FreeBSD stuff only makes sense
> > if you have been using that forever, it's awful if you are a newbie.
> 
> But define "Linux" here. Do you mean RedHat, specifically? Because
> with Arch, you've got to manually run `fdisk` or `gdisk` or whatever, and
> add partitions in that tool, set their type manually, etc, then manually
> create the filesystems, install the boot loader and configure it. The steps
> aren't necessarily hard, but it is tedious. The FreeBSD installer, on the
> other hand, does pretty much all of that for you. My point is that YMMV
> widely between Linux distributions, which vary between extremes of,
> "manually partition the disk" and "this graphical wizard does all the nasty
> stuff for you" and FreeBSD is somewhere between those two.

RedHat, Ubuntu, any of the major distributions.  Heck, Knoppix is fine.
Arch is an outlier, it's not trying to be easy to install for boomers.

> > Linux really did just make stuff work.
> 
> Huh. I remember before GPT you had to manually create MBR partitions
> and, if you wanted more than 3 or 4 (or whatever the number was...) you
> had to go and explicity create an extended partition and then subdivide
> that. With FreeBSD, you just created one MBR partition and then the
> installer let you create filesystems within that using their pseudo-graphical
> installer (pseudo- in the sense that it was all text-based, but at least it
> was menu driven if that was your bag). I found whatever Linux distribution
> I was installing at the time a lot more complex than FreeBSD, but I get
> that individuals differ here.

All of the major Linux distros have made this point and click painless
(and see my other post, they all work just fine without a mouse in a
point and click world).  FreeBSD hasn't updated their install process
in decades.  It is literally stepping back to the 4BSD era.  Painless,
it ain't.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-06 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2022-06-03 20:00     ` [TUHS] " Clem Cole
2022-06-03 20:12       ` [TUHS] " Blake McBride
2022-06-03 20:23       ` G. Branden Robinson
2022-06-03 21:06         ` Clem Cole
2022-06-03 21:20           ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2022-06-03 21:32             ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-03 21:34               ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2022-06-03 21:37                 ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-03 21:36               ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2022-06-03 21:40                 ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-03 22:16                   ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2022-06-03 22:30                     ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-03 22:52                       ` Warner Losh
2022-06-03 23:48                         ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-04  0:10                           ` Warner Losh
2022-06-04  1:05                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-04  1:46                               ` David Arnold
2022-06-06  0:32                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-06-06  0:47                                 ` George Michaelson
2022-06-06  1:17                                   ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-06  1:02                                 ` Warner Losh
2022-06-06  1:09                                 ` Dan Cross
2022-06-06  1:15                                 ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-06  1:40                                   ` Dan Cross
2022-06-06  2:36                                     ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-06 12:43                                       ` Dan Cross
2022-06-06 13:41                                         ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2022-06-06 14:27                                           ` Blake McBride
2022-06-06 14:33                                             ` Steve Nickolas
2022-06-06 14:53                                     ` Henry Bent
2022-06-06 23:28                                       ` David Arnold
2022-06-07 14:30                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-06-07 15:08                                       ` Dan Cross
2022-06-07 15:25                                         ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-07 16:03                                           ` Will Senn
2022-06-07 16:38                                             ` Warner Losh
2022-06-07 16:45                                               ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-07 16:57                                                 ` Warner Losh
2022-06-07 17:05                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-07 16:46                                               ` Blake McBride
2022-06-07 17:26                                                 ` Paul Winalski
2022-06-07 20:09                                                   ` Blake McBride
2022-06-07 17:00                                               ` Paul Winalski
2022-06-07 23:41                                                 ` [TUHS] " Chris Hanson
2022-06-07 15:55                                         ` [TUHS] Re: Fwd: " Richard Salz
2022-06-03 23:56                         ` David Arnold
2022-06-04  0:30                           ` Yeechang Lee
2022-06-04  1:03                             ` Adam Thornton
2022-06-03 22:33                     ` Warner Losh
2022-06-03 22:40                       ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2022-06-03 22:56                         ` Warner Losh
2022-06-03 22:26               ` Warner Losh
2022-06-03 22:19             ` Warner Losh
2022-06-03 21:35         ` Ben Walton
2022-06-03 20:52       ` Will Senn
2022-06-03 21:06         ` [TUHS] " Adam Thornton
2022-06-04  9:09           ` Ralph Corderoy
2022-06-04  2:59 [TUHS] Re: Fwd: " Bakul Shah

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