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From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: Paul Ruizendaal <pnr@planet.nl>
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Research Datakit notes
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 16:09:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220625230939.GG19404@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2803DC51-6CBC-4257-B40C-8A559C27CAE3@planet.nl>

Nice.  Any chance you want to do a TCP/XTP comparison?

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 01:01:07AM +0200, Paul Ruizendaal wrote:
> Wanted to post my notes as plain text, but the bullets / sub-bullets get lost.
> 
> Here is a 2 page PDF with my notes on Research Datakit:
> 
> https://www.jslite.net/notes/rdk.pdf
> 
> The main takeaway is that connection build-up and tear-down is considerably more expensive than with TCP. The first cost is in the network, which builds up a dedicated path for each connection. Bandwidth is not allocated/reserved, but a path is and routing information is set up at each hop. The other cost is in the relatively verbose switch-host communication in this phase. This compares to the 3 packets exchanged at the hosts??? driver level to set up a TCP connection, with no permanent resources consumed in the network.
> 
> In compensation, the cost to use a connection is considerably lower: the routing is known and the host-host link protocol (???URP") can be light-weight, as the network guarantees in-order delivery without duplicates but packets may be corrupted or lost (i.e. as if the connection is a phone line with a modem). No need to deal with packet fragmentation, stream reassembly and congestion storms as in the TCP of the early 80???s.
> 
> Doing UDP traffic to a fixed remote host is easily mapped to using URP with no error correction and no flow control. Doing UDP where the remote host is different all the time is not practical on a Datakit network (i.e. a virtual circuit would be set up anyway).
> 
> A secondary takeaway is that Research Datakit eventually settled on a three-level ascii namespace: ???area/trunk/switch???. On each switch, the hosts would be known by name, and each connection request had a service name as parameter. In an alternate reality we would maybe have used ???ca/stclara/mtnview!google!www??? to do a search.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-25 23:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-25 23:01 [TUHS] " Paul Ruizendaal
2022-06-25 23:09 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2022-06-25 23:57   ` [TUHS] " Rob Pike
2022-06-26  1:17     ` Paul Ruizendaal
2022-07-02  2:51       ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2022-07-02  2:57         ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-28 10:38     ` Derek Fawcus
2022-06-28 12:36       ` Rob Pike
2022-06-28 12:45         ` Rob Pike
2022-06-28 13:33           ` Dan Cross
2022-06-28 21:19             ` Lawrence Stewart
2022-06-28 21:34               ` Richard Salz
2022-06-29  6:07                 ` Stuart Remphrey
2022-06-28 16:11           ` Tom Teixeira
2022-06-28 18:28           ` John Floren
2022-06-28 12:47         ` Rich Morin
2022-06-28 13:13           ` Marc Donner
2022-06-28 14:41             ` Clem Cole
2022-06-28 15:54               ` Tom Teixeira
2022-06-28 17:05             ` Adam Thornton
2022-06-28 17:43               ` John Labovitz
2022-06-28 22:45               ` [TUHS] HTTP (was Re: Re: Research Datakit notes) Derek Fawcus
2022-06-26  1:41 ` [TUHS] Re: Research Datakit notes Anthony Martin
2022-06-26  9:52   ` Ralph Corderoy
2022-06-26 11:04   ` Paul Ruizendaal
2022-06-29 20:21   ` Paul Ruizendaal
2022-06-26  2:19 Noel Chiappa
2022-06-26  9:46 ` steve jenkin
2022-06-26 20:35   ` Erik Fair
2022-06-26 21:53     ` Steve Jenkin
2022-06-26 10:16 ` Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2022-06-26 13:07 ` John Cowan
2022-06-26 13:35   ` Larry McVoy
2022-06-26 13:58     ` John Cowan
2022-06-27  0:43 Noel Chiappa
2022-06-27  3:00 ` Erik Fair
2022-06-27 21:40 Noel Chiappa
2022-06-27 22:40 ` George Michaelson
2022-06-28 15:50 Noel Chiappa
2022-06-28 21:32 ` Lawrence Stewart

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