From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29680 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2022 13:36:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Jun 2022 13:36:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257A940C2D; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:35:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD02340C28 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:35:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 2FAEC35E847; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:35:52 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: John Cowan Message-ID: <20220626133552.GJ28639@mcvoy.com> References: <20220626021956.0140918C0A2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: VEWMWOGUJGE6VJWAOWRHVTLJFSENUGQP X-Message-ID-Hash: VEWMWOGUJGE6VJWAOWRHVTLJFSENUGQP X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Noel Chiappa , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Research Datakit notes List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 09:07:49AM -0400, John Cowan wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 10:20 PM Noel Chiappa > wrote: > > > > it had things called 'flows' which were half way between pure > > datagrams (i.e. no setup - you just stick the right destination address in > > the > > header and send it off) and VCs (read the RFCs if you want to kow why), > > > > In that connection I have always admired Padlipsky's RFC 962, which > exploits the existing TCP architecture to do just this. So simple, so > easy, so Unixy. I knew Mike, interesting dude. His "The Elements of Networking Style" is a very fun read but also, for me, just getting to understand networking, it snapped a bunch of stuff into focus. I think you have to read it at just the right spot in your career and I did. Great little book and full of jabs like "If you know what you are doing, 3 layers are enough. If you don't, 7 aren't."