From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7753 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2022 18:04:57 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Aug 2022 18:04:57 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF002406E3; Thu, 11 Aug 2022 04:04:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87AE44012F for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2022 04:04:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 27AI4W3g1221120 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2022 11:04:32 -0700 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 darkstar.fourwinds.com 27AI4W3g1221120 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fourwinds.com; s=default; t=1660154672; bh=nea6Ar4YgGC+KJ3JCT7sRnzNuBgdAJ4pMl3FFPhF9x0=; h=From:To:Subject:In-reply-to:References:Date:From; b=B4S35TgIs1XSjRzWby9ZQHeIFtXYNPb3uBhCufP2+IohnD6BgFJ0a17/lhH1t/mWc UvOo072rlJr7MT9krCI31CFD0YDK/RPSWw6NQFFk+5NVo2rxHa2bmsOvU/dd03VyZM j1u+LMp4ECjQ/HbTVBelXNeTwD5x2xaWc648fqqQ= Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.16.1/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 27AI4VkB1221117 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2022 11:04:31 -0700 Message-Id: <202208101804.27AI4VkB1221117@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: tuhs@tuhs.org In-reply-to: <20220810180210.GZ21168@mcvoy.com> References: <202208101505.27AF5Ko7020961@freefriends.org> <20220810171417.GY21168@mcvoy.com> <202208101737.27AHbupN011923@freefriends.org> <202208101744.27AHiWOT1220324@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20220810180210.GZ21168@mcvoy.com> Comments: In-reply-to Larry McVoy message dated "Wed, 10 Aug 2022 11:02:10 -0700." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1221115.1660154671.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 11:04:31 -0700 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Message-ID-Hash: 26BVBLHJBPHTMCDSGERAULNWMHLXDSNI X-Message-ID-Hash: 26BVBLHJBPHTMCDSGERAULNWMHLXDSNI X-MailFrom: jon@fourwinds.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: SNOBOL and RATSNO [ really pic ] List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Larry McVoy writes: > Jon gets it, I'm not the only one. I do the same thing with a big > invisble box, it gives you a mental place to place things. > > Also agree with the "box that fits this text" problem, pic really could > use a sizeof("this text in the current font/point size/line spacing") > that returns x,y. But I don't see how to do that because pic doesn't > have that info, pic would need to be able to ask troff what those are. > > Oh, and I've written my own crappy version of grap(1) that spits out > pic, it was pretty easy. > > So at least Jon sees pic like I do and I suspect there are plenty more > who do as well. Spend some time writing some pic scripts and I suspect > anyone can get good at seeing what it is doing. It's a super pleasant > little language. Stop being so agreeable, go fishing or something :-) Might have mentioned this before, but I have a toolchain for converting pic to SVG as that's the only vector format that can be included in word documents.