From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 20133 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2022 15:09:46 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Sep 2022 15:09:46 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA5A409FD; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 01:09:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16953409FC for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 01:09:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id BC04935E411; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:09:38 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Clem Cole Message-ID: <20220921150938.GF14437@mcvoy.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: 2MK6PKJAXLNPOUE6YKV4EB5X46QSHVIJ X-Message-ID-Hash: 2MK6PKJAXLNPOUE6YKV4EB5X46QSHVIJ X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Fwd: Re: Early BSD license thread List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 10:57:51AM -0400, Clem Cole wrote: > Yes, the CSRG team did do a great deal of innovation as well as > integration, but the line between the two was not always easy to see from > the outside. And I think developers outside of UCB sometimes felt (to use > Rob's words) 'rankled' for CSRG getting credit for some of innovation that > really belonged to others, because the CSRG team was the distribution > vehicle. In the valley it is well known that ideas are easy and execution is hard. Unless you have been responsible for shipping a big product and supporting it, it's hard to imagine how hard that is. There is absolutely an art to knowing when to release and when to keep fixing bugs. I think it was Keith Bostic who had that touch but I'm not positive. Someone did and having that ability is at least as important as having the ideas. A lot less "sexy" but every bit as important.