From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12696 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2022 20:10:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Oct 2022 20:10:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BDF40F28; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 06:10:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9226B40F27 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 06:10:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 4921935E32F; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 13:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 13:10:25 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Michael Kj??rling Message-ID: <20221011201025.GJ11780@mcvoy.com> References: <992562BA-E21F-4542-A50B-6CFE8F7ACE86@planet.nl> <20221011134842.GA11780@mcvoy.com> <20221011195447.GI11780@mcvoy.com> <8583490b-c7cc-4633-b506-2f16335fd3e2@home.arpa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8583490b-c7cc-4633-b506-2f16335fd3e2@home.arpa> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: CU7MGBBYIEAYDY53XEGU4Q4KYIRNCB6B X-Message-ID-Hash: CU7MGBBYIEAYDY53XEGU4Q4KYIRNCB6B X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Re.: Princeton's "Unix: An Oral History": who was in the team in "The Attic"? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 08:02:41PM +0000, Michael Kj??rling wrote: > On 11 Oct 2022 12:54 -0700, from lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy): > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 03:43:19PM -0400, Marc Donner wrote: > >> So, come annual review time he gets the most negative possible score. > >> Why? Because he produced -480K lines of code. > > > > Whoever wrote that review should have been fired. Absolutely no clue. > > Isn't it relatively well established, though, that IBM culture at > least for a very long time put heavy emphasis on counting lines of > source code, and that more SLOC was considered to be better? That's just stupid. I rewarded more functionality in less or the same lines of code. Want to add 5K LOC? Great, find 5K LOC of dead code. My team worked on on the same project for 18 years, the main source base grew to about 125K LOC and stayed there even though we added more and more functionality. It is possible.