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Branden Robinson" To: tuhs@tuhs.org Message-ID: <20221108164220.q5dmgmckl6haenn6@illithid> References: <20221102060730.A114A18C08A@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <74b464ac-2799-badd-9eae-a65acbe08bd7@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <86F17F7B-4775-4B15-BC83-0E7FEC974786@cfcl.com> <332950bf-f61c-0c76-63fa-caa33911ced3@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <18Dhvwn9Aec6LXGA5dkWkgVdxkprEOxlu7by1jOzuRHRz4Dd6095utKlbod1TRPI8R25Z06CXqkQO3ID9o6p4Cef7NvjI90-nrJsdH7ngy0=@protonmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zi5zbxntssj4huwf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18Dhvwn9Aec6LXGA5dkWkgVdxkprEOxlu7by1jOzuRHRz4Dd6095utKlbod1TRPI8R25Z06CXqkQO3ID9o6p4Cef7NvjI90-nrJsdH7ngy0=@protonmail.com> Message-ID-Hash: PTSN4GLNWUZ4WYSWCYML2CVSYKUFN2SQ X-Message-ID-Hash: PTSN4GLNWUZ4WYSWCYML2CVSYKUFN2SQ X-MailFrom: g.branden.robinson@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: early Unix papers, from Jim Joyce List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --zi5zbxntssj4huwf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 2022-11-07T23:12:40+0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > The following papers stick out to me as papers that haven't surfaced > in any of the research I've done (not exhaustive, but what stuck out > to me): >=20 > Why Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming Language > - This sounds fun, not hard UNIX info, but fun The infamous CSTR #100. :D It has been in circulation as a while, though the copy I have has been stripped of its CSTR identifier and the header margin is suspiciously short for an ms(7) paper. > A Typesetter-Independent TROFF > - A ditroff-specific paper? Can't say I've seen such a thing, > would be interested in this one. That's CSTR #97, also well-known, albeit not as well known as it should be by people who regard CSTR #54 (1992 revision) as Torah. #97 is surely Taldmudic. > I know someone (can't recall name/email) in the GROFF mailing list > seemed particularly excited about ditroff information that could be > gleaned from the UNIX/TS 4.0 docs, this may be their golden carrot. That was me. The golden carrot would be the [nt]roff source from that release. Someone pointed me in the direction of McKusick's CSRG CD-ROM archives for that, but I haven't made the time to chase it down. I'm trying to eat my vegetables first and get a groff release out. We're closing in on 400 bugs fixed since 1.22.4... > PIC - A Graphics Language for Typesetting > - The list mentions a March 1982 revision. This would post-date > the UNIX/TS 4.0 version, although there is the Research V10 > version of the paper. However, an initial flip through the V10 > Volume 2 manual reveals no specific last-modify date. That would > ultimately trace back to > https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3DV8/usr/doc/pic . I > can't find the roff sources for V9 or V10 of this paper though, > I've just got the physical book for V10. I'm envious, if you have both bound volumes of the V10 manuals. groff's pic.ms document (identifying Eric Raymond as author, although I believe it understates its debt to the above document, CSTR #116) muses about a "pre-ditroff" version of pic, but I have never encountered any evidence that any such thing existed. The \D drawing command escape sequences did not exist in Ossanna's troff; see the line 601 switch() in . > The PIC Graphics Language > - Another PIC paper? I'm curious to see any variant documentation of pic, particularly its early versions. > Writing Tools - The STYLE and DICTION Programs > - Ditto, I'd be curious how much of what became trade-book WWB/DWB > documentation started as Bell memoranda and if a full manual could > be compiled from just memoranda. I share your interest in WWB-related documents. In case there's anyone who's not already aware of this, the Internet Archive has a very nice cache of documents formerly hosted at cs.bell-labs.com. https://web.archive.org/web/20080509085821/http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/cm/c= s/cstr.html I find the refer(1) database of _all_ CSTR document numbers to be of particular interest. https://web.archive.org/web/20080509085821/http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/cm/c= s/cstr/bib Regards, Branden --zi5zbxntssj4huwf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEh3PWHWjjDgcrENwa0Z6cfXEmbc4FAmNqhuEACgkQ0Z6cfXEm bc40vQ//XQTuEMt1WtgF9yaxQtU7nGG9xx4O0C+mxFvPizumkfkJqlvsQh0BsV41 EnZO4IPomIa+cBkbDmEvOvExlJVf5ACCqxw0Zj1ewEtJ+5LMknJn0VJoEGy2ptH9 e0xNRqgnjZvrjkNGCyrJjDKjMrNjoi5zkAtqzZ7h6gbCqaDshsvNQCLQqHA/z2Sd gmYp1a8uxHR2ov6jQnNBHly8Gddbn/MxwHyhuqwKCnHDxoBGdDErNNBOgttY/P9I RlRAz6GJg/0x80yJSOrVo0q7F3xiTloiiO1OiRXsCQeRnVtyul5ozHfriPuwf1oN 0Iv48sg2kiYDHudF/obRIC3N7NfjLu3gW/f873VOuekU8UHzWWwofjtMAZkLYWsw NHwYdhjahSKNq1hr3PBzfuvf5GyKd7LToFIXGs6hTAAoWcJJ1/XztH5NxRetGaQy IT4kPqW4VjZFOv3QxVq6Nx3EZxuIGHYtmePAnLwr2vZQVYrZDbHCnjaHV4otBy8t QHWYEV8PGSCTbjkAptUoNvwr7O8L5qkmZWOyMMQsWYG7EfaB8yBBH1eQdAjJAmmU qCfVAjxvPfA6019un+w4Aa4GN6ctb4Ng3HivU2WzLuhYfAvJYo3kVTb5tL9EtjQP fHLQCHuvSto+S39GYsW8LKOPVAfV9vIlK16ki1eEc2Mi5ab3gUE= =qyVL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zi5zbxntssj4huwf--