From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9579 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2022 08:54:36 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Nov 2022 08:54:36 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21EC41DD3; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 18:54:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3357840F4D for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 18:49:24 +1000 (AEST) X-Envelope-From: arnold@skeeve.com Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 2A98nLSG006144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 9 Nov 2022 01:49:22 -0700 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 2A98nLRe006143; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 01:49:21 -0700 From: arnold@skeeve.com Message-Id: <202211090849.2A98nLRe006143@freefriends.org> X-Authentication-Warning: frenzy.freefriends.org: arnold set sender to arnold@skeeve.com using -f Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 01:49:21 -0700 To: marc.donner@gmail.com, crossd@gmail.com References: <992562BA-E21F-4542-A50B-6CFE8F7ACE86@planet.nl> <20221011134842.GA11780@mcvoy.com> <20221011195447.GI11780@mcvoy.com> <8583490b-c7cc-4633-b506-2f16335fd3e2@home.arpa> <20221011201025.GJ11780@mcvoy.com> <513e8a46-bd31-420a-bfdf-b59451f89c8d@home.arpa> <0db171e4-7efe-8c00-bb30-a6f914cf9911@technologists.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID-Hash: WPUM5J3KWRKVL63IXRQEDBX4JB3BKTCF X-Message-ID-Hash: WPUM5J3KWRKVL63IXRQEDBX4JB3BKTCF X-MailFrom: arnold@skeeve.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: LOC [was Re: Re: Re.: Princeton's "Unix: An Oral History": who was in the team in "The Attic"? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Dan Cross wrote: > To tie this back to TUHS a little bit...when did being a "sysadmin" become > a thing unto itself? And is it just me, or has that largely been superceded > by SRE (which I think of as what one used to, perhaps, call a "system > programmer") and DevOps, which feels like a more traditional Unix-y kind of > thing? > > - Dan C. Sys admin was a thing in the mid-80s already; I worked as one at the Emory U Computing Center for several years, ~ 1985 - 1990. Around then USENIX started the LISA (Large Installation System Administratin) workshops. Clem can undoubtedly tell us exactly when. And yes, SRE + dev ops seem to have displaced that, with SRE focusing more on keeping the bazillions of systems up and running, and DevOps on things like build and CI/CD systems. Personally, I'm glad to have gained the sys admin experience, but I don't want to do it for a living; it's much more fun building product and letting someone else have the headaches. :-) Arnold