From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24135 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2022 04:44:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 27 Nov 2022 04:44:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A21E41734; Sun, 27 Nov 2022 14:44:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.ultimate.com (mail.ultimate.com [104.225.1.121]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F39E41714 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2022 14:44:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from ultimate.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ultimate.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 2AR4hocE067296 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 26 Nov 2022 23:43:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from phil@ultimate.com) Received: (from phil@localhost) by ultimate.com (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 2AR4hofO067295; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 23:43:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from phil) From: Phil Budne Message-Id: <202211270443.2AR4hofO067295@ultimate.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 23:43:50 -0500 To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: <8f278bf8-de57-4e77-a3b8-d007d7c3a446@app.fastmail.com> <20221126191827.GV18011@mcvoy.com> <764dda08-f358-4c74-8056-ef8fc80bcaac@app.fastmail.com> <20221126232323.GX18011@mcvoy.com> <20221127001714.GY18011@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20221127001714.GY18011@mcvoy.com> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID-Hash: WNYBSWTSKVBB265CWFWPXHYDISLPQND5 X-Message-ID-Hash: WNYBSWTSKVBB265CWFWPXHYDISLPQND5 X-MailFrom: phil@ultimate.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Reaction to the 3B2 at Bell Labs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Larry McVoy wrote: > I read the Wikipedia page on the 9000. It's sad that the 9000 > wasn't cancelled when they had better alternatives. In an oral history Bob Supnik described Ken Olsen couldn't get his head around the fact that the NVAX chip could equal the 9000: @2:59:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3tcCBHRIfU In part 2, Bob described how then DEC VP Gordon Bell having earlier predicted when the microprocessor performance curve would cross over minis and mainframes: @1:51:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3tcCBHRIfU He also talks about how the company couldn't command the bsame gross margins as it did in the VAX era.